Yeah, I've seen that video before :/
It's pretty fucked up.

This one is interesting. It's somewhat about ag-gag laws and it features "Pete" who is apparently one of the most prolific whistleblowers.

Undercover Activist Details Secret Filming of Animal Abuse & Why "Ag-Gag" Laws May Force Him to Stop | Democracy Now!

First of all Hermione, your argument is strictly presumption, you hadn't once used fact or anything other than two syllabled adjectives to illustrate your frustration with our, "trendy" activism. I honestly laughed so many times reading your arugments, because I just was overwhelmed by how so little I could actually address since many of your points are fruitless.

With that said, let me attempt to attract some attention to you...ahem..."unique" way of rebuttal. Someone who gets THIS frustrated about animal activism is easily read as either insecurity about the choices you make, or simply you foaming at the mouth to chime in on a debate just so you can go to bed feeling like you were heard. But this topic cannot really, justly, be refuted. We're suggesting not to take meat or animal products from your diet or lifestyle (although that would be ideal), we are simply being the voices for those who cannot speak. I strongly believe that if you buy into the corporate devil and support animal products into your life, you should at least know what the creature goes through simply to become an inanimate "product". That's called compassion, and it cannot be twisted into anything other than that.

In regards to your comment about activists being so aggresive because maybe it makes us feel better about ourselves (then referencing us using that as motive to find justification for our place in "heaven"), I personally deny all gods an deity, so that cannot apply to me. I am an activist not because it makes me feel better, hell, not even because it makes the animals feel better, but because I feel that there is no reason for torture in order to obtain. Call that idea of mine, grotesque, but it is a moral passion of activists. You using an adjective that suggests ill behavior or value simply deems you immature.

But please.....go on.


Addressing your use of the word, "classism", I am happy to see that you know how to add distinctive doctrine to a word, but your use of it simply doesn't fit. Vegetarianism and Veganism is a choice, nothing forced upon anyone in any class. And actually, I find that I spend less at the grocery store when I do not purchase meat products.

moral passion of activists lawl but keep on with your ad hominem attacks tho

your patronising responses do nothing to disprove my points however and

buy into the corporate devil are you actually ****ting me right now? is this real life words!!! again, as I've pointed out, most people know what happens but what about the people who aren't as privileged as you, who clean your streets, your schools, make your electronics, how about them? You have compassion for them? But yeah really, I'm frustrated because privileged *******s don't seem to realise they're privileged *******s and they come out with this bull**** and they'll be scarfing down bigmacs in 2 yrs tops.

Also I don't really care about your personal life, buying into heaven was not to be taking literally.

buy into the corporate devil though, that's an embarrassing string of words.

And don't even get me started on how we apparently don't acknowlegde or care for individuals being murdered, tortured, or starved. Sweetheart, this thread is about animals. If you want to address the strife and life of a human being, please, refer to the appropriate page of this website and start your own thread regarding the welfare of Homo Sapiens.

Oh my god, I am truly embarrassed for you.

I know a lot of your relationships probably began (and remain) strictly online, but you do not know anyone personally in this thread, therefore you know nothing about our income or financial situations.

But since you know us so well, you'll be able to see if we're scarfing down big macs in 2 years. I happen to however care about my figure, so let me know if that happens.

Either way, you're embarassed that two people called you out on how otiose your argument exactly was, and really, my points and Phantom's points were well heared and fathomed. That's all I need to know, end of story :3

lmfao I'm cryin

I totally agree with that. In fact you can grow your own vegetables if you have a backyard!

I don't see what class has to do with being against the torture and inhumane treatment of animals. Of course humans are mistreated, but that isn't the topic of conversation. :)

Says the person who has no rebuttal :finger: