Boston Bombing

Burning Down · 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM

Hmmm, so I just read back through my posts in this thread. Janszoon and I have different opinions on handling the conspiracy crap and I accept that.

Ass Napkin Ed · 05-01-2013, 08:18 PM

I honestly didn't expect them to be white, the younger brother looks like one of my cousins, he didn't have a good time on fb that week.

I agree w/ their uncle, they are losers as human beings & based on the reaction of their mother that loser gene is apparently in their DNA.

P A N · 05-01-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Okay, so what's this I hear about three new suspects being arrested?

they're apparently friends/acquaintances of the younger tsarnaev, and are accused of withholding evidence basically. one of them (can't remember his name) seems to be more involved than the other two, in that he apparently found some emptied-out cylindrical fireworks in a backpack in tsarnaev's room, so he took off with them, the backpack, and a laptop and disposed of them (he took the laptop because tsarnaev told him via text that he could take whatever he wanted, and also it was a good cover to pose in front of tsarnaev's apparently oblivious room mate... somehow). they were all questioned several times and their stories were allegedly not lining up. i'm still pretty fuzzy on what the other two did wrong exactly, but apparently they stand a chance at some significant time in jail/prison and a quarter-million dollar fine... each.

Psy-Fi · 05-02-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Okay, so what's this I hear about three new suspects being arrested?

Feds charge 3 pals of Tsarnaev in post-bombing cover-up | Boston Herald

Trollheart · 05-02-2013, 06:23 PM

Unbelievable. Thanks guys. Don't in any way buy the story that they "didn't realise how serious this was". Oh they're 19, they knew all right. Who couldn't? Stupid idiots at best, guilty co-conspirators/abbettors at worst.

Psy-Fi · 05-02-2013, 06:42 PM

^ I'd like to see them do some serious jail time for what they did. Giving false statements, attempting to destroy evidence (the bomb making supplies) and hide evidence (the laptop.)
They knew who the suspect was and instead of calling the cops like they should have, they decided to help the murdering, maiming, vile POS!
If they had made the call to police, the MIT police officer who was executed would probably still be alive, the MBTA police officer wouldn't have been shot and seriously wounded and the guy they carjacked/kidnapped would have been spared that horrific ordeal.
It's not only unbelievable, it's evil.

Freebase Dali · 05-02-2013, 07:50 PM

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Well he should be tried as a U.S. citizen - he is one.

Also, the overwhelming evidence stacked against him is going to most likely finish things off anyway. His brother seems to be the brains of the operation, and one former FBI Director already said this is more like Columbine than 9/11.

He's an idiot kid who got wrapped up in some idiotic ideology (like every other 19 year old does, including the ones that post here) and he hasn't got the wherewithall to be as savvy as I think you're suggesting he will be.

Although I definitely expected this response, I guess I should also inform you that my reply was to a comment that said "at least he's well enough to speak", as though he would be compelled to say something of actual merit. And unless we're wishing him to speak solely for some selfish comfort, then we're obviously wishing for him to shed light on something of more substance that might save a life or two, or bring someone else involved to justice.
Of course, he's a citizen. And that should not be denied. I wasn't even making the argument that you assumed I was.
I was just pointing out the fact that because he is a citizen, and will retain the protections of one, like a lawyer and due-process (since we don't see kids defending themselves in court), the relief of the fact that the kid can speak isn't likely to be more than a misguided comfort.

Even court-appointed lawyers aren't going to compel their client to further incriminate himself. His cohorts? Maybe, for a lighter sentence.
But If that's all about understanding and preventing the situation from happening again, then it's probably worth it. But if it's about justice, then I hope it's a really sticky band-aid you're putting on that wound.

TheBig3 · 05-02-2013, 10:04 PM

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I hope it's a really sticky band-aid you're putting on that wound.

It is.

Freebase Dali · 05-02-2013, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

It is.

I'll just randomly ask this:

Would you place higher value on justice, or prevention, or both to what measure, assuming any level of prevention would involve the removal of rights?

TheBig3 · 05-05-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

I'll just randomly ask this:

Would you place higher value on justice, or prevention, or both to what measure, assuming any level of prevention would involve the removal of rights?

I'm not sure I understand the question. Its not a zero-sum game between prevention and justice. Also, I didn't understand much of your last post (i.e. what I assumed your were saying - or that it was an attack on you at all).

In the interest of furthering the conversation in the meantime, I'll say this:

We have a history of repealing rights in a time of war. Internment camps, the suspension of habeus corpus, the wire-tapping freedoms the Federal government has enjoyed recently - I'm fine with that.

I'm not sure if this gives you more insight into where I'm coming from, but I'm happy to go into detail, I just don't know what your position is. Or why mine was taken as hostile as it was.

05-01-2013, 08:18 PM	#342 (permalink)
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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	Unbelievable. Thanks guys. Don't in any way buy the story that they "didn't realise how serious this was". Oh they're 19, they knew all right. Who couldn't? Stupid idiots at best, guilty co-conspirators/abbettors at worst. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

05-02-2013, 06:42 PM	#346 (permalink)
Psy-Fi Aficionado of Fine Filth Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: You don't want to look in there. Posts: 6,884	^ I'd like to see them do some serious jail time for what they did. Giving false statements, attempting to destroy evidence (the bomb making supplies) and hide evidence (the laptop.) They knew who the suspect was and instead of calling the cops like they should have, they decided to help the murdering, maiming, vile POS! If they had made the call to police, the MIT police officer who was executed would probably still be alive, the MBTA police officer wouldn't have been shot and seriously wounded and the guy they carjacked/kidnapped would have been spared that horrific ordeal. It's not only unbelievable, it's evil. Last edited by Psy-Fi; 05-03-2013 at 07:18 AM. Reason: Forgot to include the MBTA officer in my post.

05-01-2013, 08:02 PM	#341 (permalink)
Burning Down The Music Guru. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Beyond the Wall Posts: 4,858	Hmmm, so I just read back through my posts in this thread. Janszoon and I have different opinions on handling the conspiracy crap and I accept that.