Maybe we're getting information your press aren't releasing just yet. Dunno.
Wouldn't surprise me though. It's not unusual for certain bits of info to be held back.
If anyone claims responsibility it's the small details that will make the claims genuine?

As I posted right before you replied here, I think certain press are reporting based off of initial, unverified comments. I'm not saying that there definitely wasn't ball bearings, I'm just saying that most of our press won't say there definitely was until it's verified. So far, that hasn't happened.

The IRA got most of their funding from Irish Americans during the troubles( who some had left Ireland because of the very grievances the IRA were claiming against the British), as did the old IRA during and before the War of Independence.

There's always one! I think it's a pretty brain-dead move to say that.

I'm not sure about the Irish links, but honestly I don't think anyone deserves to be bombed no matter what happened in the past.

And notice that there's bombings in Syria everyday and no one blinks an eye lid.

I'm not pinning anything on anybody apart from those that donated money. I just wonder now that innocents have been killed on their own doorstep if they feel any conscience for what they did.

I've been to Boston, it's a lovely city the people were lovely and they don't deserve to have a tragedy like this happen to them. Just like the people who were shopping in the Arndale centre that day didn't either.

I don't think anyone is suggesting there's a link to past troubles in Northern Ireland, Vanilla. Certainly not in the sense of some kind of reprisal attack.

I think the longer it goes without someone claiming responsibility the more I'm inclined to think this is a domestic attack, as opposed to an international terrorist attack.
Not every attack in the UK was the sole responsibility of the IRA either.

Oh no I realise that! :)

Nope.

Homegrown terrorism is probably more likely, yes.

When is HHBH ever sarcastic?

...or Tea

That's exactly what bothers me how innocent ppl pay the consequences for stuff they're not involved with

i think of all the ppl that die over someone else's cause and at the end they just become another statistic in the evening news

Nothing gets accomplished, nothing gets better, it all turns into mindless violence and fighting for peace.

Well yes, people were incredibly naive in funding a cause they didn't understand, some were duped by irish poetic romanticism and all that ****e, but some of them knew very well what was going on over there, they had first hand experience of discrimination(gerrymandering for example, or not being able to get a job, or their house being burnt down because they were Catholic) which is why they left in the first place. I hate the IRA for what they did to innocent British people, as did my great grandfather(and old IRA member of the War of Independance and Civil War), what happened in Birmingham was unforgiveable, but they weren't all terrorist ****s, some had relatives and friends shot down for no reason by UDA and British soldiers, some burnt out of their own houses, and joined out of anger. But I did not like the way you worded that Urban, even though I know you didn't really mean anything by it. I feel absolutely sick to the stomach that this bombing happened, the more I hear about it. Hope they catch the ****ing ****s who did this.





We still do not know what "cause" this is related to. If it is even related to a "cause" at all. I don't think these people are statistics either, the people dying in Syria are, because there are so much more of them dying.

I can accept that. I apologise if I worded it in a way you thought I was getting back at the Irish, I was just giving my honest initial thoughts that I had when I heard about it. Maybe my perspectives are slightly skewed because I was in London during the 1993 Bishopsgate bombing, only a mile away in fact. The first time I ever travelled anywhere on my own.

and I couldn't agree more with your last point.

What actually happened here?

I'm only 23, I remember a lot of stuff going on in the 90's but too young to really understand everything. I know they bombed Manchester but always thought nobody was killed (which is a miracle really.) And obviously I know what they did to Birmingham.

Yes I know Urban, don't worry, you're the most honest person on this forum. That is mostly a good thing.




I don't know how many bombs actually went off, but I remember hearing about some of it and my parents being horrified. I am the same age as you as well. The weird part is apparently the IRA gave warnings before each bombing. I don't fully understand the situation, but it was ****ed up. It was a ****ty time to be Irish in England as well, some of my mates grew up in England when it was happening and had to leave.

Let's take stock of a few things:

-Syria has been in the American media, daily, for months.
-Syria is in a civil war
-The purpose of war is to kill
-Therefor, unless a bombing or murder of civilians is (somehow) relevant to the overall progression of the general conflict, it's not going to get much major media coverage.

-America has several times the population of Syria
-America has several times the GDP of Syria
-Bombings of civilians in America are an anomaly
-America is home to many, many globally significant media outlets

...

Or were you referring to the reaction on this board? If that's the case, it might have something to do with the ratio of Syrians to Americans on it. Just a wild guess.

Yea, i know we still don't know the motive behind this
i meant what i said as an assumption because this kinda attacks are often the work of extremist groups with either a political or religious agenda..

Ofc, this could also be the work of just one man who's bat sh*t crazy

That's what I believe. Didn't the Oklahoma City bombing occur on or about this day in April in the '95?

No. 19th.
This attack was clearly related to the turnout of the Boston marathon event, which is an annual one.

Yeah that's what I thought cos I know he runs.


He'll probably be fine. I hope.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's attention starved and wants to go out in a bright flame. He's currently defending himself by saying that he was being sarcastic on his Twitter account right now. It's a pretty sad state of affairs that he used this as an excuse to get noticed.

Realistically it was probably smaller scale, homegrown individuals here in the U.S commiting a senseless act of violence. Everyone points a finger right to muslims and etc however look at 9.11, I doubt that a muslim extremists would attack at that point, low populated area, with few runners, they would try to make a bigger impact. Ball bearings were confirmed on CNN from eyewitness nurse in the hospital. Most likely a pipe bomb if you look at how focused the blast was upwards (I.E a not very well made, or sealed lid portion) again pointing at crude, home grown individuals. I do not think we will find a cause so to speak, if they have not spoken up, they wont. You dont get your message out without letting your message be heard.

Judging by his FB status being updated 3 hours ago, I'd say he's safe

I'm from Boston originally actually and my parents frequently volunteer at the the medical booth at the finish line. Luckily they weren't doing it this year, but it still freaks me out.

I saw some pictures today that are going to give me nightmares for years. This is reminding me of 9/11 in the way that I'm getting very emotional and upset about a tragedy. 9/11 was close to home but this is hitting those same chords. Fucking horrible.

Whoever did this is truly evil, it's so messed up. I didn't even know about it until a co-worker told me during my shift. There are some seriously ****ed up people out there :C

I could very easily have had friends or family there (my parents have frequently volunteered at the finish line). Not a blessed fucking one of my family or friends back in Boston has ever financed the IRA and not a single one of them deserve to "know what it feels like". I like you both, but your comments are really fucking inappropriate and obnoxious.

Such is the misappropriation of targeted emotional past.
Just like I was not responsible for slavery, and should not incur any backlash for it. But am in various ways.

I think this is just part of who we are. When we don't have a single person to blame, we blame the whole group. Gives us that necessary enemy.

Well I did say I was talking about the people who donated.
Go to any British news site and you'll see that what I said isn't an uncommon opinion.
And it's an opinion I hold said in understanding, not malice.

And those people are an absolutely miniscule sliver of a percentage of the population of the city you're talking about and extremely unlikely to be among the victims of the bombing. Which is precisely what makes the comment so inappropriate.

Not sure what I'm supposed to take from this. British people are assholes? Okay. Noted.

Well I sure hope "now you know how it feels" isn't something you say at funerals in an effort to convey understanding.

I do realise that. It's still right in their backyard though.

Or perhaps world weary having lived through it for 30 years week after week, month after month wondering if the next one will get anybody you know.


Well I'm not at a funeral, and I'm glad you're upset by it... you should be.
I shouldn't have to know what it feels like and neither should you.

Well I'm glad you, your family and friends are safe, Janzoon.
And I know exactly how you feel about this bombing.

I didn't for one second suggest any of your family or friends have helped fund the IRA at any point.

My reaction to this bombing is one of anger and it brings back too many memories.
I can't bring myself to apologise for wishing those who have donated money to fund terrorism, naively, or otherwise, now hopefully, know what it's like.

If that makes me obnoxious...so be it!

I am really glad you family are okay and weren't volunteering this time. Is your friends in Boston okay? *hugs*

The exact same can be said for the other side, my father was a street down from the bomb that hit Dublin and Monaghan(the largest bombing death toll during the troubles, (33)), planted by the UDA, and there is evidence that the British Special Forces had a hand in it as well. Had my father been a block further down, I wouldn't be alive, and my grandmother would have lost two sons in one decade.

If you ban a record it usually becomes a hit, when you give terrorism prime time news space the terrorists use it as a recruitment drive. I'm sure CNN and other American news networks know this, but they ignore it because they have advertising space to sell.

I've just spent 35 minutes watching CNN news pretending to keep America informed, know nothings talking to know nothings about things they know nothing about.

It was a terrible thing that happened and its changed some lives forever, and I have a lot of empathy for those involved or connected to anyone that was injured or killed in this terrorist attack. Journalists talking about it on tv 24-7 wont make it not happen or go away, it just gives a victory to the terrorist organization that carried out the attack. If these things weren't reported on the news they would stop because there would be no point in doing it, no media coverage means no recruitment drive and no publicity and no victory for the terrorist, but like I said earlier the American news networks have advertising space to sell and obviously that's more important to the networks than the safety of American people. What other conclusion am I supposed to come to.

Except, like I said, there is absolutely no reason to think any of the victims donated money to fund terrorism. That's why your comments are so god damn obnoxious. The fact that you're apparently so unrepentant about it is honestly kind of nauseating.

^


It would be like someone from Ireland saying the same thing, if a load of unarmed civil rights protesters were shot down in England.

"Now they know what it feels like"




So be it.

Yeah I see the same over here, with some of the old schoolers around where I live. They blame every British person instead of the select few who did all of the horrible things in the local area. Some of them are perplexed that I have such close English friends. They are a dying breed though, and rare even amongst their age group, thank god.