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04-19-2013, 09:28 PM | #24 (permalink) | ||
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Yes and no. Or, better said, there is altruism and there is selfishness. Yesterday I read something about it, by Adam Smith:
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Now I'm thinking about medical scientists devoting their lives to trying to alleviate Human suffering. Some of them work for private companies. In that case, is there some dose of altruism there or is it just about making a profit? Or maybe both things? There may be altruism in little things too. For instance, let's see the Internet. Many people share their knowledge for free. Free software, free cultural works, etc. Also, take a look at Music Banter. Don't we visit the Name that Tune section in order to help someone who we don't know for nothing in exchange?
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10-27-2013, 04:42 PM | #25 (permalink) |
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Altruism exists because its opposite exists. And opposites create eachother. Good creates bad, ugliness creates beauty, light creates darkness, chaos creates order, and vice versa, and so on and so forth. Take life for example: if everything was alive and lived forever we wouldn't regard it as life because we only know life in relation to what isn't life.
It's interesting to note that many altruists are altruistic because they realised that being selflessly good to others makes the self feel good. But does that still mean they're being altruistic? I don't suppose it matters really, it's a philosophical question that only morons like myself would ponder. |
10-31-2013, 12:25 AM | #26 (permalink) |
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^I agree. Altruism exists because selfishness exists, and both are defined within a spectrum of human behavior. It's sort of meaningless imo to drag biology into this discussion and bring up the many ways that people might indirectly benefit from altruistic behavior. The fact is that anything that doesn't ultimately benefit your genes in some way won't evolve and so it's pointless to frame the question in that way. We originally defined these terms based on subjective human values, i.e. traits that we admire in other humans vs traits that we find distasteful. We shouldn't lose sight of that very basic dynamic.
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03-22-2014, 02:03 AM | #27 (permalink) | |
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03-22-2014, 06:59 AM | #28 (permalink) | |||
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I was driving home last night, guy runs out of gas on a blind corner, gas station is just ahead. Me getting out and helping him push didn't make me feel any sort of way. I just did it on instinct. Pure gut instinct. As much as the guy, yelled at me "naw baby I got dis..." I pushed anyway. I was in a ****ty mood to ice the cake that was my **** fest of a day, so when I did this I was not exactly feeling warm and fuzzy. Might have been why I said "Dude, shut up! And steer..." Did I get a rush of warm fuzzies afterward? Nope. Now get this, I looked at my phone walking back to my car. One missed call. A coworker and friend of mine, drove past, saw me, (little ole me) pushing a huge ass caprice down the street, and simply called to ask what I was doing. Didn't stop to help me their friend, who was actually doing something completely altruistic. This guys has a connection to me, forget the stranger, I am the only one that established a connection with the stranger. So by that rational if we were all out to feel good and pat ourselves on the back my friend would have stopped to help me, help the stranger and we would have all sat down and sang kumbyah afterward. Because we all felt good. That did not happen.
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03-22-2014, 12:18 PM | #29 (permalink) | |
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Therefore... still not altruism.
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08-07-2014, 06:27 PM | #30 (permalink) |
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I would argue that altruism does exist, it's not just not the pure ideal of altruism that some people think it is. Altruistic behavior is our behavior that is irrational in terms of personal survival, but somehow helps the survival chances of species or individual members of the species. It doesn't matter whether the altruistic behavior makes the organism feel good or not, though typically it does and that's why they do it.
In primates (including early humans) altruism stemmed from limited inbreeding (a typical trait of social organisms). It turns out that social animals are more willing to help out fellow members of their species that share more resemblance to them. The benefits/cost of altruism aren't necessarily realized by the individual itself, it is a random mutation that favored reproduction of social species, and thus, those groups of primates had a higher chance of survival than groups with more in-group competition. Altruism - EvoWiki
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