Help Me Understand

Rjinn · 03-16-2013, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Always

I am Pope, taker of little boy virginity.

The Pope has nothing to do with that.

Trollheart · 03-16-2013, 08:24 AM

Look I'll give him this much. His first action (more or less) the day after he was elected was to go back to his hotel, personally collect his stuff and pay his bill, and thank the staff there for looking after him. This may not seem like much, but it's something he could have had a flunky do, and he did it himself. He says he wants to be a "man of the people", so I think that's a good way to start.

Mind you, now they're saying he didn't stand up to the Junta in Argentina when he was bishop there or something. Always some negative to balance out the positive, and anyway, what pope ever stood up to any dictator? Think John XXIII or whoever stood up to Hitler in World War 2? Nah..

I have to laugh though at Irish news: "still no word on a papal visit to Ireland" --- Jesus the guy has been pope three days and they're already expecting him to come to Ireland!!!

Neapolitan · 03-16-2013, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Mind you, now they're saying he didn't stand up to the Junta in Argentina when he was bishop there or something. Always some negative to balance out the positive, and anyway, what pope ever stood up to any dictator? Think John XXIII or whoever stood up to Hitler in World War 2? Nah..

The leaders of Europe had plenty of time to stand up to Hitler but didn't.
"Winston Churchill warned Britain and the Western world about the dangers of Adolf Hitler and Germany." Churchill's Warning for Today - theTrumpet.com

John XXIII didn't fight the Nazi's but he helped the Jewish people.

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Pope John XXIII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Efforts during the HolocaustAs nuncio, Roncalli made various efforts during the Holocaust to save refugees, mostly Jewish people, from the Nazis. Among his efforts were:

Jewish refugees who arrived in Istanbul and were assisted in going on to Palestine or other destinations[citation needed]
Slovakian children managed to leave the country due to his interventions.[citation needed]
Jewish refugees whose names were included on a list submitted by Rabbi Markus of Istanbul to Nuncio Roncalli.
Jews held at Jasenovac concentration camp, near Stara Gradiška, were liberated as a result of his intervention.[citation needed]
Bulgarian Jews who left Bulgaria, a result of his request to King Boris of Bulgaria.[citation needed]
Romanian Jews from Transnistria left Romania as a result of his intervention.[citation needed]
Italian Jews helped by the Vatican as a result of his interventions.[citation needed]
Orphaned children of Transnistria onboard a refugee ship that weighed anchor from Constanța to Istanbul, and later arriving in Palestine as a result of his interventions.[citation needed]
Jews held at the Sered concentration camp who were spared from being deported to German death camps as a result of his intervention.[citation needed]
Hungarian Jews who saved themselves through their conversions to Christianity through the baptismal certificates sent by Nuncio Roncalli to the Hungarian Nuncio, Monsignor Angelo Rota.[citation needed]

In 1965, the Catholic Herald quoted Pope John as saying:

We are conscious today that many, many centuries of blindness have cloaked our eyes so that we can no longer see the beauty of Thy chosen people nor recognise in their faces the features of our privileged brethren. We realize that the mark of Cain stands upon our foreheads. Across the centuries our brother Abel has lain in blood which we drew, or shed tears we caused by forgetting Thy love. Forgive us for the curse we falsely attached to their name as Jews. Forgive us for crucifying Thee a second time in their flesh. For we know what we did."[6]
On 7 September 2000, the International Raoul Wallenberg Foundation launched the International Campaign for the Acknowledgement of the humanitarian actions undertaken by Vatican Nuncio Giuseppe Roncalli for people, most of whom were Jewish, persecuted by the Nazi regime. The launching took place at the Permanent Observation Mission of the Vatican to the United Nations, in the presence of Vatican State Secretary Cardinal Angelo Sodano.

The IRWF has carried out exhaustive historical research related to different events connected with interventions of Nuncio Roncalli in favour of Jewish refugees during the Holocaust. Until now, three reports have been published compiling different studies and materials of historical research about the humanitarian actions carried out by Roncalli when he was nuncio.[7][8]

jackhammer · 03-16-2013, 09:28 PM

A charity worker with a silly hat on.

Paul Smeenus · 03-17-2013, 01:27 AM

It's really been bugging me, I know the new Pope looked familiar, and today I figured it out. He's a dead ringer for Jeffrey Tambor

**Janszoon** · 03-17-2013, 01:31 AM

There's always money in the banana stand.

Paul Smeenus · 03-17-2013, 01:39 AM

Necromancer · 03-17-2013, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

There's always money in the banana stand.

hip hop bunny hop · 03-19-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Is you trolling, or is you suggesting that critical thinking and analysis is common to both?

There were two points, unfortunately my main point - that critical thinking and analysis are in permanent short supply everywhere - wasn't clear enough.

**Janszoon** · 03-19-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

There were two points, unfortunately my main point - that critical thinking and analysis are in permanent short supply everywhere - wasn't clear enough.

I love the irony here.

03-16-2013, 08:24 AM	#22 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	Look I'll give him this much. His first action (more or less) the day after he was elected was to go back to his hotel, personally collect his stuff and pay his bill, and thank the staff there for looking after him. This may not seem like much, but it's something he could have had a flunky do, and he did it himself. He says he wants to be a "man of the people", so I think that's a good way to start. Mind you, now they're saying he didn't stand up to the Junta in Argentina when he was bishop there or something. Always some negative to balance out the positive, and anyway, what pope ever stood up to any dictator? Think John XXIII or whoever stood up to Hitler in World War 2? Nah.. I have to laugh though at Irish news: "still no word on a papal visit to Ireland" --- Jesus the guy has been pope three days and they're already expecting him to come to Ireland!!! __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

03-16-2013, 09:28 PM	#24 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	A charity worker with a silly hat on. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

03-17-2013, 01:31 AM	#26 (permalink)
Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	There's always money in the banana stand. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm

03-17-2013, 01:27 AM	#25 (permalink)
Paul Smeenus David Hasselhoff Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Back in Portland, OR Posts: 3,681	It's really been bugging me, I know the new Pope looked familiar, and today I figured it out. He's a dead ringer for Jeffrey Tambor

03-17-2013, 01:39 AM	#27 (permalink)
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