Dimensions and Their Numerical Progression

P A N · 02-08-2013, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by stp

Yeah I think that just because mathematics can explain aspects of reality doesn't mean that everything that exists mathematically is real.

theoretical physicists used mathematics to describe what they believed was a particle necessary for the existence of mass called the higgs boson. the math described something that could not be visually represented on any scale digitally due to the fact that the math said one rotation of this particle occurred in 720 degrees of spin. that's something we're simply not equipped with the hardware to visualize. nonetheless, CERN got the funds and built the Large Hadron Collider, the biggest particle accelerator ever made and something hailed as mankind's most impressive machine, and found the higgs boson.

so in a way, you're right, but nonetheless, lack of imagination is no reason to give up trying.

edit: and on another note, the higgs boson is proof of another dimension. absolute proof.

Stephen · 02-08-2013, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by zevokes

theoretical physicists used mathematics to describe what they believed was a particle necessary for the existence of mass called the higgs boson. the math described something that could not be visually represented on any scale digitally due to the fact that the math said one rotation of this particle occurred in 720 degrees of spin. that's something we're simply not equipped with the hardware to visualize. nonetheless, CERN got the funds and built the Large Hadron Collider, the biggest particle accelerator ever made and something hailed as mankind's most impressive machine, and found the higgs boson.

so in a way, you're right, but nonetheless, lack of imagination is no reason to give up trying.

edit: and on another note, the higgs boson is proof of another dimension. absolute proof.

I am certainly no expert but I get the feeling that there is some very complicated maths to explain something that is currently beyond their understanding and they might look back in 50 years and laugh.

P A N · 02-08-2013, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by stp

I am certainly no expert but I get the feeling that there is some very complicated maths to explain something that is currently beyond their understanding and they might look back in 50 years and laugh.

by "currently beyond their understanding" i get the feeling you're referencing my saying that it can't be visualized. correct me if i'm wrong. but, assuming i'm getting you here, i can assure you that visualizing higgs boson has nothing to do with understanding it. they understand it. they understood it before they found it, and they understood it well. if they didn't, the most expensive science experiment in the history of mankind would never have taken place. but it did.

Stephen · 02-09-2013, 09:21 AM

Like I said I'm no expert. I just got the impression whenever I've read any articles on the subject that theories in the field are rather tentative.

Guybrush · 02-12-2013, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by zevokes

theoretical physicists used mathematics to describe what they believed was a particle necessary for the existence of mass called the higgs boson. the math described something that could not be visually represented on any scale digitally due to the fact that the math said one rotation of this particle occurred in 720 degrees of spin. that's something we're simply not equipped with the hardware to visualize. nonetheless, CERN got the funds and built the Large Hadron Collider, the biggest particle accelerator ever made and something hailed as mankind's most impressive machine, and found the higgs boson.

so in a way, you're right, but nonetheless, lack of imagination is no reason to give up trying.

edit: and on another note, the higgs boson is proof of another dimension. absolute proof.

Really? I'm a bit sceptical to what you're writing, but also intrigued. Do you have a source to some information about this 720 degrees spin stuff?

As far as I know, the latest particle to be found at CERN is not yet confirmed to be the Higgs Boson so one should be a little careful talking (or writing) about it as if it is.

As a general comment to the rest of the thread, I don't believe in parallell multiple dimension worlds with multiple dimension creatures that we can possibly bump into and think it sounds like a silly idea.

FETCHER. · 02-12-2013, 06:10 AM

I've spoke about this a few times, I completely understand 1D, 2D and 3D. What confuses me is how can we fathom something we don't know exists? I mean we can't interact with the 4D and there's no way of proving it is there, so why do so many people believe the theory? Not only that, without knowing of the 4D existence how can we begin to go beyond that in to the 5th D and even up to 71D? I'm not being ignorant either just genuinely curious.

PoorOldPo · 02-12-2013, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FETCHER.

I've spoke about this a few times, I completely understand 1D, 2D and 3D. What confuses me is how can we fathom something we don't know exists? I mean we can't interact with the 4D and there's no way of proving it is there, so why do so many people believe the theory? Not only that, without knowing of the 4D existence how can we begin to go beyond that in to the 5th D and even up to 71D? I'm not being ignorant either just genuinely curious.

Its not ignorant at all. It would however be ignorant to say that these dimensions do not exist simply because we cannot see them, when stephen hawking, Einstein and Carl Sagan accepted their existance.
Well we know the fourth dimension is there, we just can't comprehend it basically. It is all relative, just as a 2 dimensional being cannot comprehend the concept of "up".

watch this.

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PoorOldPo · 02-12-2013, 06:23 AM

Dr Quantum - Flatland - YouTube

FETCHER. · 02-12-2013, 06:37 AM

That was actually a really good video explaining basically why we can't comprehend 4D.

So what ideas and theories do people have about 4D, in which way do we believe they're different. I'm really confused but I'm trying to get my head round it!

PoorOldPo · 02-12-2013, 06:55 AM

lol, i made a playlist for you :P

4th Dimension - YouTube

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Stephen I sleep in your hat Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Melbourne, Vic. Aus. Posts: 1,847	Like I said I'm no expert. I just got the impression whenever I've read any articles on the subject that theories in the field are rather tentative.