P A N

i might get a lot of flak for this, and come off as a conspiracy theorist, but i've said it before and i'll say it again: it takes a lot of time and thought to take over the world.

i think it's highly probable that these massacres are the result of MK Ultra. for those of you have never heard of it, it's a project of the american government based on mind control. it's well-documented.

what does that have to do with taking over the world? well, look what's happening in this thread, aside from the whole divide and conquer thing. it's illuminating a dichotomy in the collective consciousness. one that likely won't ever be resolved. we're always going to have people that are pro-gun, whether it be for personal defence, or for hunting or target practice or whatever. and then we're always going to have people who think that gun availability is a problem because there are sick people in the world. i personally don't think that all the people involved in these crimes are sick. i think they were manipulated by people who have done extensive research into the controlling of the human mind, and that they were directed beyond the force of their own wills to do these things so an exclusive group can begin implementing laws concerning thought crime. and that's hella dangerous. couple that with NDAA and you've got indefinite detention for anything they decide is crazy... and crazy can be the name given to anyone who goes against what society thinks of as normal.

i may have said "i believe" in there, but i shouldn't have. i just think it's likely that there's more to what's going on here than meets the eye.

Freebase Dali

Not sure how you arrived at this whole conclusion based on MK Ultra. If your point is that government is shady, I'll agree with that on the spot. But if your point is that shady government is to blame in this scenario, I simply ask what evidence you have to support that assertion, or at the very least, do you have some sort of compelling argument that extends beyond the fact that, at some point in our past, we (quite erroneously and without result) attempted to control the minds of another country.
I mean... dude, I dunno if you've ever done LSD before, but it's not that effective at controlling anything at all. I'll tell you what is effective at controlling minds.... News media. TV commercials. Mass media in general. Societal trend. Etc.
The telling thing about that is those whose minds are actually directed by that crap are the very ones who will stand up first to deny it.

I don't think there's anything wrong with aggregating information, but do you really think the majority of people are weighing all available information prior to making decisions and forming opinions, or are you wise to the fact that the large majority of them are simply reiterating what they heard from a source that appeals to their sensibilities?

If you can't answer that, you haven't been living in "this" world for very long.

P A N

i don't have an argument that would stand up in court, if that's what you're asking. i've basically taken a year off of doing any research into this kind of stuff because (on top of being busy as hell) i don't really need to know any more to affirm that there are a group of malevolent string-pullers making the world entirely f*cked up. i say this because providing evidence would take some time, and i don't really want to get into it. but i've done enough reading and searching and finding to have come to this conclusion without the aid of mass media. apparently there is a doc out about the shooter in the batman killings though. i was explaining my viewpoint on the lack of reasoning behind these massacres the other day and was told that i should watch it, because it's apparently based entirely on the exact same logic that i arrived at myself. the guy has no recollection of doing what he did. he had no reason to do it. and unlike the recent school shooting, he didn't even kill himself. the people that do these things have no reason to do it. there is the argument that they are just severely depressed and rather than going out as a lonely nobody and blowing your own brains out, it means more to the world when you make a big deal about it; a logic which has ties to the sensationalized nature of events like these in the news media. i call that valid, but also note that when they kill themselves - which can be part of their programming - there is no one left to interview. have you ever seen an interview with the batman killer? didn't think so. and i bet it's a lot of work to keep reporters away from him.

i'm not saying that i think there are no sick people in the world. take charles manson for example. this guy is clearly messed up. and the news media are unrestricted in displaying that to the world. he's also extremely intelligent, and that combined with his sickness has lead to what he genuinely believes are sound motives for his actions. again, because he is truly sick, the media is free to exploit it to the people of the world. no such thing is happening with the current slew of mass killers.

as far as lsd goes, i'm not saying that i think what's going on here is directly related to using it as a tool to control people. like i said, it's been quite some time since i've immersed myself in this type of stuff. i brought up mk ultra because it was essentially the touchstone for the US governments' experiments in mind control. of course i'm aware of edward bernays (freud's nephew) and his huge influence on the actions of the mad men via mass psychology. i also know a lot about the Nazi party's minister of propaganda joseph goebbels. shaping public opinion is a big f*ckin deal. but to paraphrase your statement freebase, in shaping that public opinion you give people a sense that their opinions are their own. this can serve as a distraction to a great degree of efficacy, especially when you give them things to argue about.

so basically, i don't think lsd has any direct correlation with that what's going on here. perhaps mk ultra was the wrong tag line for what i'm trying to get at. "machurian candidate" is likely more apt. and no, i've never seen the movie.

Janszoon

Yeah, nothing screams "reality" like a 1950s thriller starring Frank Sinatra.

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blastingas10

I pretty much laid all conspiracy theories to rest and concluded that this kin of thinking was illogical, until I saw this. I had never heard of mk ultra before, it's very intriguing. And as you said, seems to be very well documented.

Janszoon

Oh good grief.

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