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midnight rain · 12-16-2012, 06:48 PM

And as usual you have Obama ignoring the separation of Church and State in his speech tonight.

How are you going to talk about God, Heaven and the Scripture and the hope they can provide at this time? Not very comforting to say the least.

GuitarBizarre · 12-16-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

And as usual you have Obama ignoring the separation of Church and State in his speech tonight.

How are you going to talk about God, Heaven and the Scripture and the hope they can provide at this time? Not very comforting to say the least.

He's an american president. As sad and horribly depressing as it may be, and as much as you might not want to admit this, the fact is that if he doesn't make an effort to show allegiance to god, he loses part of the electorate and part of the popular opinion.

Not to mention, this is the man whose first 4 years in office were largely marred by and tarnished by the deluded and insane debate over whether he was a muslim or not. A debate which he put to rest on no fewer than 3 occasions with documented evidence that some complete whack jobs still believe was forged.

Is it any ****ing wonder he talks about that ****? He stands more to gain by playing up the religious angle than by fighting from a completely secular position.

midnight rain · 12-16-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

He's an american president. As sad and horribly depressing as it may be, and as much as you might not want to admit this, the fact is that if he doesn't make an effort to show allegiance to god, he loses part of the electorate and part of the popular opinion.

Not to mention, this is the man whose first 4 years in office were largely marred by and tarnished by the deluded and insane debate over whether he was a muslim or not. A debate which he put to rest on no fewer than 3 occasions with documented evidence that some complete whack jobs still believe was forged.

Is it any ****ing wonder he talks about that ****? He stands more to gain by playing up the religious angle than by fighting from a completely secular position.

You're probably right. I guess I overestimate the average American's intelligence.

GuitarBizarre · 12-16-2012, 07:06 PM

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You're probably right. I guess I overestimate the average American's intelligence.

America's rough political center, taken as a country, is pretty much racist, capitalist christian white males. I'm afraid its going to be quite some time, if it happens at all, before the changing political climate (Increases in atheist demographics, greater equality for men and women, greater equality for ethnic groups), develops into a force that can genuinely influence a candidates choice of political platform away from that and more towards a secular, non-misogynist and non-racist viewpoint. To say nothing of any real pro-LGBT representation anywhere within government at all. Not necessarily even an elected LGBT poltician persay, but rather a politican that at least genuinely empathises with and will vote in accordance with a pro-LGBT belief out of basic human decency, which I don't believe is currently the case. Or rather, it could be the case, but it would be political suicide on a national stage (thanks to america having so many extremely bigoted but politcally important demographics) so its kept very low key so as to not ruin chances on the campaign trail in a politicians later career.

**Janszoon** · 12-16-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

America's rough political center, taken as a country, is pretty much racist, capitalist christian white males.

No, it really isn't.

GuitarBizarre · 12-16-2012, 07:31 PM

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No, it really isn't.

Bear in mind I'm not talking about the demographics of the population as much as politicians. America has a lot of ethnic, cultural, religious, and racial diversity in its population, but that's not reflected in either your government or your wealthiest citizens (IE, those citizens with the most political power and influence). In fact, of your 150 wealthiest people, not one of them is black. On top of that, only 3 of the US states have ever had a Black Senator, and only ONE US state has had a Black Senator in the 21st century.

On top of THAT, whatever you may believe, I think it speaks volumes that when running against Obama to become the democratic candidate in 2008, Hillary Clinton's campaign team apparently sought to gain an advantage by photoshopping Obama's campaign image to make him have darker skin. This is a woman who was gunning for president of the US, and she chose that approach?

**Janszoon** · 12-16-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Bear in mind I'm not talking about the demographics of the population as much as politicians. America has a lot of ethnic, cultural, religious, and racial diversity in its population, but that's not reflected in either your government or your wealthiest citizens (IE, those citizens with the most political power and influence). In fact, of your 150 wealthiest people, not one of them is black. On top of that, only 3 of the US states have ever had a Black Senator.

On top of THAT, whatever you may believe, I think it speaks volumes that when running against Obama to become the democratic candidate in 2008, Hillary Clinton's campaign team sought to gain an advantage by photoshopping Obama's campaign image to make him have darker skin. This is a woman who was gunning for president of the US, and she chose that approach?

Did you just use a political campaign that couldn't even make it past the primaries as an example of "America's political center"?

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midnight rain Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,711	And as usual you have Obama ignoring the separation of Church and State in his speech tonight. How are you going to talk about God, Heaven and the Scripture and the hope they can provide at this time? Not very comforting to say the least.