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Guybrush 12-14-2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1263344)
Well thats just it, you aren't gonna get rid of guns. Criminals will still possess guns they bought illegally. Guys like me that go to Turners and Gun shops to buy guns and use them recreationally aren't gonna use them on people and we register our guns. Guys like this would still possess guns, because you aren't gonna go into someones house and audit their gun collection.

I believe the idea that if guns are outlawed, criminals will still have them at the same frequency, is basically wrong. I think in a society where the regular guy won't be able to legally own a gun, a lot of people who would commit criminal acts won't have guns either. One reason could be that, despite them doing something criminal, they don't have criminal connections that can get them a gun prior to the criminal act. As an example, let's say two guys crash their cars and they start a fight. If one of them has a gun in the car, that fight could escalate and become a murder. If none of them have a gun, the likelyhood of things going that far decreases.

Also, if noone has guns, a criminal may not need that kind of power to f.ex rob someone. The threat of a knife or unarmed violence could be enough. Or maybe, lacking guns, they'll more often opt for criminal activities which do not require confrontations.

So I'm a big believer that less guns in society in general means less violence and less guns in the hands of criminals. When I'm sober, I'm sure I can find some studies to back that up.

FrankBeardjr 12-14-2012 02:17 PM

With tears in my eyes, there are literally no words.

Its harder to get on a plane with a gun than in an elementary school. Maybe we ought to lock schools down like prisons.

Burning Down 12-14-2012 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankBeardjr (Post 1263413)
With tears in my eyes, there are literally no words.

Its harder to get on a plane with a gun than in an elementary school. Maybe we ought to lock schools down like prisons.

No, there should be stricter laws regarding gun ownership and usage.

Franco Pepe Kalle 12-14-2012 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1263414)
No, there should be stricter laws regarding gun ownership and usage.

I agree with Burning Down but Right Wing fools won't let that happen anytime soon.

blastingas10 12-14-2012 02:28 PM

I also think there should be stricter security at schools. Where I come from, there are cops in middle schools and high schools. Why? Mainly to deal with any misbehaving kids. There aren't cops in elementary school because teachers can usually deal with kids these ages. I think that should change. I think all schools should have some kind of police or security on hand. You can just walk into any school around here. Of course, you're expected to sign in on some sheet. But is a sign-in sheet going to stop a gunman? Hell no. I think something should be done to keep just anybody from being able to walk in to a school.

On a side note, I cannot believe this hasn't been mentioned.

Children stabbed in attack at Chinese school - Asia-Pacific - Al Jazeera English

CanwllCorfe 12-14-2012 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA (Post 1263391)
This may be a teensy bit inappropriate and I apologize in advance but

where the **** was "GOD" when the children were being murdered?

Exactly what I was thinking. I'm seeing so much about prayer, I just don't get it. At all. He's all knowing and all powerful, yet he can't prevent tragedies like this? But yeah, he's looking out for the survivors. I mean, they might die, but that's part of his plan. It's all part of his plan.

Janszoon 12-14-2012 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1263419)
On a side note, I cannot believe this hasn't been mentioned.

Children stabbed in attack at Chinese school - Asia-Pacific - Al Jazeera English

That's pretty crazy. It's good to hear that no one died though.

blastingas10 12-14-2012 02:46 PM

Pretty strange coincidence.

Bloozcrooz 12-14-2012 02:48 PM

Banning guns in America will never EVER be the solution. Due to the fact there is no full proof solution here. You will never be able to extinguish all firearms their easier to get than cigarettes on the black market and just as abundant. If you stopped production today Arabs will dance a jig along with countless other 3rd world countries about how much money they're about to make on the black market. Hell not even that far Mexico would be the first to profit. They already control the drug trade so they could just add to the illegal hierarchy that much more. You would only be pouring salt on the wound and crippling the honest people of this country. Criminals aren't deterred from breaking the law with a gun just cause guns are illegal. Most the people in the black market are felons already and not even allowed to own one. Give me a ****ing break

blastingas10 12-14-2012 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankBeardjr (Post 1263413)
With tears in my eyes, there are literally no words.

Its harder to get on a plane with a gun than in an elementary school. Maybe we ought to lock schools down like prisons.

That's a good point. Not locking schools down, but the other part. I think school security should and can be increased from the outside without staining the children's experience there. There's got to be a way to keep gunman from entering schools without making the kids feel like they're in a prison.

I think school security is the more important issue. I was in public schooling not long ago and I'll tell you anybody could have easily walked in that school and started shooting. Something needs to be done about that.


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