But thats what I'm saying. I have the system you do, but khfreak (for example) doesn't.

What sort of "meaningful" action is Obama going through with?

What can Obama do? Really, you think NRA aren't going to stop Obama for trying to stop some these redicilous loopholes that these fools have to go through so there is no background check. I mean seriously, there will be nothing done on this issue because NRA won't let any change happen any time soon.

Though the population of some towns pales in comparison to towns the size of L.A. The same gangs have intergrated themselves into even the most unimaginable remote areas of the United States. Smaller in numbers yes, but never the less live by the same code and moral. The town closet to me is around 80,000 and has seen everyone of these gangs I mentioned in a previous post intergrate themselves into the population. Some of which originated in prison and later continued to progressively grow into society. Some of the films start from where the gangs originated from, and continue to show how they have grown in strength and numbers to today. I only posted the first segments of each but you can youtube them yourself if you so wish. And these are only a few of them, thats not including biker gangs or other various cartels that have branched into the U.S. Point is you will never be able to police the gun trade amongst those who live outside the law. Only cripple those who do. Watch and see for yourselves the what your up against and then tell me that banning guns from honest respectable Americans is the solution.

I am against banning guns but at the same time, we need to a lot of background checking before any individual in America can get the gun. You will see that the people that want guns are those who have many problems. The responsible ones are the ones who are impacted because sadly they will be demeaned by the media. I feel for them. But we can do something to prevent people like this killer from acquiring weapons.

The NRA spends millions per year on lobbying, and because their lobbyists are so strong, I don't see the Obama administration getting as far with implementing stricter gun laws as they'd like to.

I'm not a violent person by any means, I don't even like guns. But honestly, I would like to have one for protection. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Did you watch any of the clips I posted in my last post? It speaks rather loudly as to who will control gun traded no matter what the law says.

I don't see anything wrong with that either. But it becomes a problem when the gun gets into the wrong hands. A child, a crazy mental person, etc.

What I really want to know is why this guy's mother, a ****ing kindergarten teacher, had an assault rifle in her house. You don't need an assault rifle for self protection, if that's why she owned it.

Assault rifles like that should only be reserved for military personnel and police SWAT teams. Civilians should never be able to get their hands on one.

Does it? Would you buy guns from the crips?

I figured I'd check out 4chan to see what they thought about the whole thing. I saw pretty much what I'd expect from them.

I saw this Ebert quote on Facebook and I think it's dead-on:

^I definitely agree with that as well.

Ebert knows more than movies, it looks like. I completely agree with him.

I'd agree with the post Tuna, I think the issue is generally emotional failings. They want people to like them, they want to feel included. When everyone is trying to "figure you out", maybe it adds some sense of value to them (they think). I'd love to see an interview with these people 20 years on, but obviously we love to have the death penalty so thats probably not going to happen.

In thinking about it, maybe I wouldn't. I'm sure they'd just find God and be boring.

I'm not going to argue with you on that. Maybe I'm mistaken but I thought assault rifles were illegal in some areas.

Ebert hit the nail on the head. I think something should be done to keep the identity of these people hidden. Do not give them any attention at all. But I'm sure that wouldn't be possible

Apparently not in Connecticut. The rifle was legally purchased and registered.

No. Im also not a disturbed or disgruntled sicko out to make a name for himself or who's flipped his wig. The point I think nobody is wanting to see here is that guns aren't going anywhere and trying to police them will not be as efffective as you think. I don't know why that is so hard to fathom for some. I say go ahead and place a tighter leash on gun laws and put it into affect and leave it for ten years. Then after the changes that were expected never occur then change them back.

Right, but you were saying that the Crips or other gangs control the gun trade whether they're legal or not. If they control it, I assume they'd have to be selling to a much larger niche than just disgruntled sickos.

And what if the changes DO occur? Would you be okay with keeping the stricter gun laws in effect?

I thought they did away with the death penalty in CT? Not that it would would matter anyway cause I'm sure the other prisoners will make short work of him on the inside. I was under the impression that the shooter died anyway?

Yeah, he shot himself afterwards.

I wasn't singling Crips out as the only ones who are in control of the gun trade. I used them as an example with many others to show that those who live outside the law in an organized gang or cartel like environment will. And the numbers of those who do isnt as minute as you probaly think. Just like the drug trade thats been won by cartels along the border for years now. Along with multiple other illegal acts including the sale of guns. Then are distributed to others who live outside the law and then eventually end up in the hands of some yahoo like this. I realise the gun he used was his moms and it was legal but the point is if she wanted to get it the illegal way or him, it would not be very hard. I just dont think a lot of people have a clue how easy it is, and how many guns are in circulation amongst the people they think only exist on T.V. Its not like a socialy awkward dude like that guy has to walk into Compton or into the heart of any place like that to find it. Thats not the only place they occupy. Its a buisness for them and I wouldn't be suprised if he was in school with someone of this caliber or who was at least affiliated. White gangs, latin gangs, black gangs, whoever. I'm sure even as awkward as he was he had a friend who had a friend that knew someone.

To answer your second question yes, if better laws were set in place, and after a lengthy tenure made a difference. Why wouldn't I be in favor of keeping humanity more safe? Absoloutley 100%

That wasn't all Sandy Hook related. I meant Columbine, Oklahoma City, ect.

Also Big3 if your interested in an interview to get into the mind of a criminal of this magnitude after 20 years here you go. These 3 were convicted of brutily mutilating 3 kids and after 20 years or so got aquitted thanks in part to the media and Hollywood nut jobs like Johhny Depp. Ridiculous. HBO made a documentary years ago covering this story after it happened. You may want to watch how all of this transpired and then watch the interviews throughout their prison stay to see how they adapted. Since this was an HBO special it gained national attention from Holllywood celebs who rushed to the aid of 3 guilty murders.

This is where we disagree. I live in a semi-sketchy area, just a few blocks from a very bad area, in a city with a lot of crime. I'm a social, outgoing person and know a lot of people in my neighborhood and I still have no clue where I'd buy an illegal gun. If I were autistic and introverted and lived in a small town in Connecticut there's no way I'd be able to get my hands on one.

I'm glad to hear that. There seem to be a lot of pro-gun people who'd be opposed to something like that whether it worked or not.

I lived outside the the city, not quite in the country and not really close to anything either. When I was in school I was friends with everyone of many different diverse ethnicities. I can remember people bringing guns to school as early as 6th grade and the school I attended was not located in a bad area. I remember this kid showing this gun to everyone in the breezeway and then putting it back into his backpack. He got caught with it in 7th period art class after he got busted throwing map colors at the teacher. Upon denying he even had map colors she searched his bag, and found his gun. I wasn't in the class, but this is what others explained happened. Though he wasn't involved, his older brother was gang affiliated, and thats where he had gotten the gun come to find out. Though later he ended up following in his footsteps, but you would never know it by talking to him. The guy was a people person and very funny actually, and one heck of an athlete on into high school. Once I was in highschool it was growing abundantly clear that almost anything you wanted on the illegal market was readily availible. Even the preppiest of kids would suprise you at the activities they were into or getting in trouble for. Point is the older you get I think the more things like this present themselves if you have a grasp on what your looking for, and even if your not looking for it, and if you actually did ask the question, well you catch my drift.

If the guy in CT was looking for a place to belong I think he could find it no matter how awkward. Criminals don't care about his mental stability or social awkwardness, all they would see is dollar signs. I think the movie Higher Learning depicts how a socially awkward person can team up with the most umlikliest of people. "Remmy" the charactor in the movie who is portrayed to be a social misfit from an middle class suburbia family finds his sense of belonging in a racist cult. The chances aren't that great for these type of things, but not out of the realm of possibility.

Tuna, I think you made a very good point about the media spotlight around such events. It had a similar effect on suicide rates in teenagers in a town nearby town where I live. The Media focused on the drudgery of this town, on how there was no hope for its residents and claimed all sorts of stuff about teen suicide pacts and the like. None of the cases were related like that, but a message was made to impressionable youths that if they ended their lives they would be nationally and sometimes internationally known, tributes would be made, plaques in schools etc. Dangerous business.

Too many problems in our American society. Hatred is running too much in our place today. This is part of why so many people want guns. The people who wants guns tend to be people who are not stable individuals. That is total truth. We need to do some background checking always, there will be another tragedy like the one we just witnessed.

Criminals care about not getting caught. They don't generally do business in a such a way that some random unknown guy can just spontaneously stroll up to them and buy a gun.

Yeah, I too hope the media doesn't go on and on about this for few more days. I think a good deal of restraint is far better than this national sobfest. Children murdered is upsetting, but I've seen quite a number of stupid stuff either written or said already. Let the victims recuperate. Our reasoning is better employed elsewhere.

Yes, the Ebert quote makes a very good point indeed.

I remember when Timothy McVeigh was given the honour of having his portrait on the cover of Time magazine - effectively being given the full celebrity treatment. To prove the point, I can still remember the name of the perpetrator, but not the names of the people who are really worthy of mention; the victims, their families and the emergency service guys who had to clean up such a tragic mess.

Westboro Church plans to picket at Sandy Hook Elementary School - New Orleans Pop Culture | Examiner.com

ABSOLUTELY SICK! These people are not real Christians. They are deranged psychos who should all die a slow, painful, torturous death. And soon.

WBC pickets funerals of gay soldiers, they have absolutely no regard for the dead, or anything other than their agenda for that matter.

I feel so sad about this. :(

As for the Westboro Church, **** them. They are bunch of sick fools who have no humanism in them one bit. **** them.

I used to always have the urge to infiltrate the WBC church. This gives me so much more motivation.

Their website was hacked by Anonymous after they announced plans to picket the funerals of these children.

:beer::beer::wavey: Good news.

Westboro Baptist Church...I'd like to see them try to pull that crap at a funeral down here.