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Old 12-22-2012, 10:09 PM   #331 (permalink)
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Some people cope with stress by laughing. My wife is one of them so I don't really find it all that strange.
That's the first thing I thought of, and I'm good with explaining the laughter/smiling away (Even though it seemed like he was totally at ease). The part that throws me off a little more is the "process" he apparently took right afterward to get himself into the state of mind people usually expect.

Again, I'm not making any assertions here, and I'm willing to consider anything that seems legitimate, but the entire transformation from relaxed and joking to heartbroken father was, it seems to me, clearly a preparatory thing not for what he had to talk about, but how he had to come across.

I don't want to try and analyze this thing, really, but if there's one thing I pride myself on, it's the ability to analyze people. It's basically the only talent I've ever thought I had that consistently proved me right about myself and others, so I generally trust my gut about those sorts of things, even if that's nowhere near evidence. It has actually saved my life on one occasion.
Anyway, I say all that to say I am definitely open to alternatives, but the impression I get is of someone whose foremost concern at the time is appearing a certain way, and in this case, sorrowful. Whether that's because of the pressure of being filmed for media or not is another debate.
My argument in this context is simply, that if a normal father was in that position, with the same pre-roll film footage, he probably wouldn't have come across in that way.

Of course, I'm just making assumptions, as we don't really get to see footage before this sort of thing is broadcast, but just speaking as a human being that can identify with other human beings' behavior and what to reasonably expect in a variety of situations, this one does throw me off a little.
It's not this big smoking gun a lot of other people will probably make it out to be. But it's pretty interesting, notably because I have somewhat of a habit of focusing on human behavior and reactions. Of course, that doesn't qualify me for anything special. Just saying I notice that sort of thing whether I seek to or not.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:19 PM   #332 (permalink)
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uhhh... definitely read it thirty different places. then i wrote what i did. then read what you wrote. then i went looking for a document. then i found nothing but proof of disinfo. thank you for asking, and sorry im an idiot.
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Old 12-23-2012, 06:33 AM   #333 (permalink)
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I don't know what you are after with that. I hope you're not implying this man isn't experiencing pain and sorrow over his loss.

I didn't see laughter. I saw a slight smile. But why do people smile and laugh to begin with? There are times they do it to relieve stress. What is one of the biggest fears a person has? Public speaking. That slight smile was a reaction to something someone said to him before his speech. It had nothing to do with anything else.

There is a mood change, he was in a different mood he was with other people and maybe his mind was off the tragedy for a brief moment, but you can tell in his speech he was heartbroken. He starts out by saying "OK" then he looked down like he was lost; he looked like he didn't want to give a speech about the tragic events that happen just a day before. After he said "ok" he starts to hyperventilate. You can see him breathe in & out heavily, even his voice starts to pitch higher with some words, he got choked up on others and there are moments it looked like he wanted to cry.

I can't say I have ever lost a daughter, but if I did, and had to say something about her and the other 2 dozen children that also died, I would not be smiling and merrily nodding to people before I made my statement, and I would not be trying to get into character before I went on camera, I am pretty sure the devastation and shock I would be in would be enough. If you don't think that video is strange then...I don't know what to say.




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Again, I'm not making any assertions here, and I'm willing to consider anything that seems legitimate, but the entire transformation from relaxed and joking to heartbroken father was, it seems to me, clearly a preparatory thing not for what he had to talk about, but how he had to come across.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:39 AM   #334 (permalink)
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I too find the guy's demeanor very strange... but what point exactly are we making with the video?
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Old 12-23-2012, 12:02 PM   #335 (permalink)
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There is an alternative reality about America that some people refuse to believe is false. Despite the giant slap of reality we got back in November.
How do you mean this in relation to what I said? As in there's a harsh underbelly or some crock of conspiracy or, how? Just to be clear, I'm not being confrontational, or that's not my intention, it just hasn't been clarified for me yet.

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I think violence itself is a much bigger problem than guns.
Violence is the root, of course, but guns create such spontaneous access to ridding one of their violent impulses. Me and my dad were just discussing this last night, and he confessed that there have been a lot of instances where he's wanted to kill someone and he's thankful that in every instance he never had access to a firearm.

How many kids do you think would die in school if there weren't such an access to weapons that they seem to have? How many more people shot over something as minor as rolling dice or some woman or an exchange of harsh words?

In response to the whole thing Sandy Hoax ordeal, while I want to say it may have been his exhaustion/stress level creating such odd behavior (which it very well can), he does appear to be a little too casual about it. Still, we don't know the actual man on that camera. He might be some sleazy businessman who doesn't feel emotions correctly, or always has to put on some ideal persona for the situation (ie., cool coper to mourning father). As Dali said, he could be a sociopath or have some other psychological malfunctioning that caused him to behave in such a manner.

You know I saw a video yesterday (out of my own curiosity) that claimed Brian Wilson was creating the devil's music and all the voices and melodies he created came from demons in his head?
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How do you mean this in relation to what I said? As in there's a harsh underbelly or some crock of conspiracy or, how? Just to be clear, I'm not being confrontational, or that's not my intention, it just hasn't been clarified for me yet.
America isn't as violent, fat, stupid, or ignorant as the internet would have you believe. We're actually moving in a very progressive direction, but if you only read webpages, you'd think we were the 8th level of hell.
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America isn't as violent, fat, stupid, or ignorant as the internet would have you believe. We're actually moving in a very progressive direction, but if you only read webpages, you'd think we were the 8th level of hell.
True. The police chief in Paragould, AR (my state) decided he'd like to declare virtual "martial law" because of the fear of crime, even though crime statistics are either lower or stagnant. Then again, I learned this from the internet as well.

Still, someone down the street from me just got shot over a woman a few days back. It doesn't matter how often that happens, what matters is how quickly you get to make that decision when you're holding a gun.
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True. The police chief in Paragould, AR (my state) decided he'd like to declare virtual "martial law" because of the fear of crime, even though crime statistics are either lower or stagnant. Then again, I learned this from the internet as well.

Still, someone down the street from me just got shot over a woman a few days back. It doesn't matter how often that happens, what matters is how quickly you get to make that decision when you're holding a gun.
I don't get what you're saying here. Are you in favor of the police state, or aren't you?
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Completely against it, but the internet still informed me. Where does one draw the line on when to listen to websites is all I'm asking (with no question mark). The last part was just my remark on violence in general, without bearing on or from statistics.
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its not that the internet is wrong, its just filled with half-informed people spouting off about whats wrong with everything. If you listen to people on the internet, you hear about the worst things you can imagine.

Meanwhile, in America, the gun-crime rate is down, education is improving rapidly (Massachusetts students just dominated globally), we've got rovers on mars, and our health awareness is improving, even if that means I have to listen to idiots tell me about their ****ing Crossfit workouts on a regular basis.

I don't mean to diminish this tragedy, because thats what it is, but it doesn't mean America has gone to hell in a hand-basket overnight.
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