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12-15-2012, 11:01 AM | #151 (permalink) | ||
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Gun homicides in the US in 2012 were 14,159. Thats 5x our population, yet 363x our gun death rate in murders alone. And the figure I used in the UK was total, the US figure was homicides only, IE did not include accidents. What figures could you bring to me that negate this?
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12-15-2012, 11:07 AM | #152 (permalink) |
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The problem with your figures is they don't refute my arguement. America can't be stacked against England because our states have different gun laws. And more importantly, they have different laws regarding the information I laid out as a better plan.
As an example Texas in 2011 had a Firearms Murder rate of 3.19 for every 100,000 people. Conversely, Vermont has a .039 murder rate regarding firearms. Vermont has more lax gun control laws than Texas does, but it also has a Socialist Senator. Meanwhile, during Texas's massive wildfires, their governor told the population the best response is prayer. Its not guns. And you haven't told me how gun control would prevent the mass killings I suggested which are more effective and easier to pull off.
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12-15-2012, 11:16 AM | #154 (permalink) |
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Very sad news indeed.
I don't think any amount of weapon control or freedom of use will stop these actions. It's part and parcel of human nature, unfortunately. But that being said, I'll take my chances in a society of knife crime over gun crime. |
12-15-2012, 11:21 AM | #155 (permalink) | |
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12-15-2012, 11:43 AM | #156 (permalink) | ||
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Also, I don't mind gun control. We have tons of it here in MA and people can still obtain guns, so the idea of it preventing "good people" from having guns is absurd. That being said, I still think the big issue with these mass killings is a lack of healthcare services available for people.Its a concern we need to address immedaitely. And more paranoid schizophrenics are resistent to it, so we need to recreate institutions with a emphasis on care and not locking someone up.
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12-15-2012, 11:53 AM | #157 (permalink) |
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I know you guys are having fun arguing whether or not guns will ever go away (they won't) or how violence can be stopped (with much difficulty), but here's another horrible news story of a maniac attacking children, that happened on the exact same day. Human beings have the potential to do more evil than I can imagine.
Villager slashes 22 kids with knife at elementary school gates in China - World News EDIT: Note, this isn't some sort of sneaky way to express my views on violence and guns, this is just a horrible, related bit of news that I wanted to share.
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12-15-2012, 12:13 PM | #159 (permalink) | ||
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It's a spectrum of gun control, either you move up the ladder toward stricter, or you move down toward more lenient. Or you stay the same and address another problem. Those are your only options. Quote:
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12-15-2012, 12:54 PM | #160 (permalink) | |
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I don't see how Americans don't want the system we have in place here, it's not like you can't have guns for hobbies. My friends dad has a gun licence and special cupboard to keep them in because he uses them for hunting. So what is the problem?
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