Is pride illogical?

Face · 12-12-2012, 03:03 PM

Stop being lazy and read the thread tore. If only for my posts, which are BRILLIANT!

Ahem.

As for time, I'm a linearlist (is that a thing?).

One "dimension", one series of events, the future doesn't exist yet and the past is finished, because anything beyond that is pure unadultered bull****/imaginary speculation for now IMO, along with multi-dimensions.

duga · 12-12-2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Face

Stop being lazy and read the thread tore. If only for my posts, which are BRILLIANT!

Ahem.

As for time, I'm a linearlist (is that a thing?).

One "dimension", one series of events, the future doesn't exist yet and the past is finished, because anything beyond that is pure unadultered bull****/imaginary speculation for now IMO, along with multi-dimensions.

Einstein's theory of relativity pretty much proved time is not linear.

Neapolitan · 12-12-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

Einstein's theory of relativity pretty much proved time is not linear.

It's linear in the respect it always flows forward. For Einstien Time does not pass at a universal rate. I thought entropy (Second law of thermodynamics) makes time linear (the fact time flows forward), even though it passes at different rates due to the different amounts of gravity throughout the universe.

ThePhanastasio · 12-12-2012, 10:27 PM

Pride is definitely logical. While there is no proof that free will exists, (or vice versa) taking pride in ones' work isn't irrational. It's human. We aspire, and that makes us human. When we achieve, that is the realization of some aspiration. Pride is not irrational. It's a way of seeing that we left a mark, however minute, based on our efforts.

duga · 12-12-2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

It's linear in the respect it always flows forward. For Einstien Time does not pass at a universal rate. I thought entropy (Second law of thermodynamics) makes time linear (the fact time flows forward), even though it passes at different rates due to the different amounts of gravity throughout the universe.

It's linear only because we perceive it that way. You also speak of entropy as if total entropy is some kind of "end point". It's not...it's just another state of being. That point in time exists right along with our time.

Neapolitan · 12-12-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

It's linear only because we perceive it that way. You also speak of entropy as if total entropy is some kind of "end point". It's not...it's just another state of being. That point in time exists right along with our time.

I mean it is linear in the way that Event A is Followed by Even B which is Followed by Event C ... ad infinitum. The human mind thinks of those events or arranges those events in a hypothetical timeline, but that doesn't mean someone can't say time flows forward in this universe.

I mention entropy because for something that goes backwards in time then laws of Physics in this universe also have to be reversed. You put an ice cube in a glass of water, what happens? It melts. If you where in a time machine traveling back in time and had a glass of water near your control console then ice would start forming in your glass of water thus violating the Second law of thermodynamics, that's why I mentioned it.

Face · 12-13-2012, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by duga

Einstein's theory of relativity pretty much proved time is not linear.

It shows that the rate at which time passes from a relative standpoint can change due to gravity, but that it cannot be reversed.
The constant c is the magnitude of the vector in the four dimensions that EVERYTHING travels through space-time at. You, a star, light.

So the faster something travels through space (or the higher the gravity), the slower it travels relatively through time because it's effectively just the same magnitude (c) chnaging the angle. The vector for light is almost(?) completely aligned with travel through space, and not at all with time, hence why it's speed is c while ours isn't.

Neapolitan · 12-13-2012, 02:13 AM

^ I thought "C" was a constant, the velocity/speed of light.
What do you mean by "... c is the magnitude of the vector?"

Face · 12-13-2012, 11:24 AM

c is a constant, which is the "speed limit" of anything through space. Light just happens to reach this speed limit in a vacuum.

the reason the constant "c" acts as the speedlimit is because it is the magnitude of the vector of everything and anything through spacetime. It might be hard to explain without diagrams.

Think about travelling through three dimensions at a constant speed, lets just call that "f". Depending on your direction you will either travel faster in the X or Y or Z dimensions.

Time is just a fourth dimension. And everything has the same "speed" or magnitude travelling through spacetime, which was found to be c. So the more you travel in the "space" dimensions, the less you travel in the "time" dimension. Light's "direction" is aligned completely with the "space dimensions", so it reaches the maximum speed/magnitude of the vector within the space dimensions, so c is it's speed and it hardly "percieves" time.

However, we also have the magnitude of c through spacetime. But the proportion we travel through space is far less than light, so we travel more through time.

Moody · 12-13-2012, 12:22 PM

What is logical?

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Face Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: UK Posts: 306	c is a constant, which is the "speed limit" of anything through space. Light just happens to reach this speed limit in a vacuum. the reason the constant "c" acts as the speedlimit is because it is the magnitude of the vector of everything and anything through spacetime. It might be hard to explain without diagrams. Think about travelling through three dimensions at a constant speed, lets just call that "f". Depending on your direction you will either travel faster in the X or Y or Z dimensions. Time is just a fourth dimension. And everything has the same "speed" or magnitude travelling through spacetime, which was found to be c. So the more you travel in the "space" dimensions, the less you travel in the "time" dimension. Light's "direction" is aligned completely with the "space dimensions", so it reaches the maximum speed/magnitude of the vector within the space dimensions, so c is it's speed and it hardly "percieves" time. However, we also have the magnitude of c through spacetime. But the proportion we travel through space is far less than light, so we travel more through time. Last edited by Face; 12-13-2012 at 12:51 PM.

12-12-2012, 03:03 PM	#61 (permalink)
Face Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: UK Posts: 306	Stop being lazy and read the thread tore. If only for my posts, which are BRILLIANT! Ahem. As for time, I'm a linearlist (is that a thing?). One "dimension", one series of events, the future doesn't exist yet and the past is finished, because anything beyond that is pure unadultered bull****/imaginary speculation for now IMO, along with multi-dimensions.

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