I take more comfort in atheism

midnight rain · 12-01-2012, 10:46 PM

The idea that we all become stardust from whence we came, that the particles that composed us at one point can go on to form new life, or stars, or join any other celestial body in the Universe. IN this sense, we never really are gone, even if the collection of matter that came together to form us will never be configured the same way again.

I prefer this outcome to one of a vengeful God who will send someone like Jeffrey Dahmer to heaven for kissing his ass in the last month of his life, while I go through life trying to be a good person and living by a code that I find morally decent (one that doesn't embrace many of God's barbaric (imo) teachings) and will end up in hell.

What do you guys think? Religious and non-religious people alike.

and I see there's a religious thread just above mine lol. If you guys wanna merge this ish, i'm ok with it

mr dave · 12-02-2012, 07:53 AM

I think the sooner everyone stops worrying about whether or not their personal belief in whatever bring peace to their own soul is 'right' or not is when things will actually start getting better for all of us.

midnight rain · 12-02-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

I think the sooner everyone stops worrying about whether or not their personal belief in whatever bring peace to their own soul is 'right' or not is when things will actually start getting better for all of us.

It's a fun thing to discuss, even if it has no bearing on what actually happens to us all. You know what you're getting into by coming into this thread, so I'm not sure why you'd complain about the topic.

hip hop bunny hop · 12-02-2012, 05:31 PM

I feel anyone who takes pride in having the correct beliefs is acting like the most annoying sort of Protestant. It's action that matter, yet unfortunately most (atheists) act as though by ditching Jesus they can out-Jesus Christians in shouting, yelling, & boasting how elite they are for holding such egalitarian (meaning secular humanist) beliefs.

It's annoying & I want no part of it.

midnight rain · 12-02-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

I feel anyone who takes pride in having the correct beliefs is acting like the most annoying sort of Protestant. It's action that matter, yet unfortunately most (atheists) act as though by ditching Jesus they can out-Jesus Christians in shouting, yelling, & boasting how elite they are for holding such egalitarian (meaning secular humanist) beliefs.

It's annoying & I want no part of it.

So by posting my beliefs and why I believe them, I'm attempting to "out-Jesus" Christians? I explained why I disagree with Christianity on a personal moral level, how is that boasting my elitism? Seems to me you read into it the way you wanted to.

I don't understand the defensiveness, I didn't attack Christians and try to convert them, I didn't try to use science to prove Christianity irrational. You guys are too focused on pussy-footing around the subject, I explained why I don't take comfort in a widely accepted afterlife and that's it. Maybe next time leave your preconceived notions at the door cause I don't think you know what the **** you're talking about.

Face · 12-02-2012, 07:15 PM

Fine, congratulations, good for you. As for the attitude, some pointers for the future to help you avoid it.

Use:
"I don't believe in God, I find comfort enough in being one with the universe"

Then if someone says talks about the awesomeness of religions you can point out whatever you think is immoral.

As opposed to..

"Energy of the universe, THAT'S better than kissing God's ass, amirite?"

For your first post.

midnight rain · 12-02-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Face

Fine, congratulations, good for you. As for the attitude, some pointers for the future to help you avoid it.

Use:
"I don't believe in God, I find comfort enough in being one with the universe"

Then if someone says talks about the awesomeness of religions you can point out whatever you think is immoral.

As opposed to..

"Energy of the universe, THAT'S better than kissing God's ass, amirite?"

For your first post.

Nah, I like my approach. I condense things into one post, rather than waiting to be prompted for the appropriate response.

Seeing as how the topic was why I find moral comfort in one over another, it makes sense to explain why I find one side lacking in my moral beliefs, and the other fitting more with my beliefs.

Face · 12-02-2012, 07:25 PM

Those aren't the two sides though.

Atheism is not believing in god of any kind, not just the vengeful ones.

You could be a theist and make exactly the same points you made.

So it came across as the angry/stuck-up atheist focusing on the ills of religion rather than the possibility of afterlife/dieties etc right off the bat.

midnight rain · 12-02-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Face

Those aren't the two sides though.

Atheism is not believing in god of any kind, not just the vengeful ones.

You could be a theist and make exactly the same points you made.

So it came across as the angry/stuck-up atheist focusing on the ills of religion rather than the possibility of afterlife/dieties etc right off the bat.

No I agree, but I was raised in a Christian family and am most intimately familiar with that religion. I probably should have specified Christianity in the topic, though many other religions seem to have archaic and bigoted beliefs that I'm not cool with either.

Atheism appeals to me not only because I find it logical, but because I don't have to subscribe to indoctrinating beliefs. Maybe I'm just stubborn, but I'm not willing to uncompromisingly put my faith in one book to define who I am and what I believe in.

Face · 12-02-2012, 07:38 PM

You do realise that you can believe in a god without subscribing to a religion don't you?

What I'm saying is rejecting religion isn't the reason you're an atheist. Believers outside of religions, agnostics or just spiritual people reject religion too and don't subscribe to indoctrinating beliefs.

By all means, point out the flaws in religion. But those are the reasons you are not religious. Not the reasons you are an atheist.

12-01-2012, 10:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
midnight rain Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,711	I take more comfort in atheism The idea that we all become stardust from whence we came, that the particles that composed us at one point can go on to form new life, or stars, or join any other celestial body in the Universe. IN this sense, we never really are gone, even if the collection of matter that came together to form us will never be configured the same way again. I prefer this outcome to one of a vengeful God who will send someone like Jeffrey Dahmer to heaven for kissing his ass in the last month of his life, while I go through life trying to be a good person and living by a code that I find morally decent (one that doesn't embrace many of God's barbaric (imo) teachings) and will end up in hell. What do you guys think? Religious and non-religious people alike. and I see there's a religious thread just above mine lol. If you guys wanna merge this ish, i'm ok with it Last edited by midnight rain; 12-01-2012 at 11:16 PM.

12-02-2012, 05:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
hip hop bunny hop Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,381	I feel anyone who takes pride in having the correct beliefs is acting like the most annoying sort of Protestant. It's action that matter, yet unfortunately most (atheists) act as though by ditching Jesus they can out-Jesus Christians in shouting, yelling, & boasting how elite they are for holding such egalitarian (meaning secular humanist) beliefs. It's annoying & I want no part of it. __________________ Have mercy on the poor.

12-02-2012, 07:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
Face Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: UK Posts: 306	Fine, congratulations, good for you. As for the attitude, some pointers for the future to help you avoid it. Use: "I don't believe in God, I find comfort enough in being one with the universe" Then if someone says talks about the awesomeness of religions you can point out whatever you think is immoral. As opposed to.. "Energy of the universe, THAT'S better than kissing God's ass, amirite?" For your first post.

12-02-2012, 07:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
Face Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: UK Posts: 306	Those aren't the two sides though. Atheism is not believing in god of any kind, not just the vengeful ones. You could be a theist and make exactly the same points you made. So it came across as the angry/stuck-up atheist focusing on the ills of religion rather than the possibility of afterlife/dieties etc right off the bat.

12-02-2012, 07:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
Face Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: UK Posts: 306	You do realise that you can believe in a god without subscribing to a religion don't you? What I'm saying is rejecting religion isn't the reason you're an atheist. Believers outside of religions, agnostics or just spiritual people reject religion too and don't subscribe to indoctrinating beliefs. By all means, point out the flaws in religion. But those are the reasons you are not religious. Not the reasons you are an atheist.