The Wild & Wacky World Of The Middle East

Unknown Soldier · 11-18-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

That wasn't Urban.

F*** Urban then, you're the star.

Newkie · 11-18-2012, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Personally I find it fascinating, how they can keep knocking seven buckets of **** out of each other, learn nothing and then still get up and repeat the process all over again.

Well, at the risk of sounding like a philosophical **** is the rest of the world much different? Cyclical nature of humanity and all that.

Rjinn · 11-18-2012, 08:22 AM

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I think it terms of popular opinion you'd definitely have to say that they care, Egypt being the prime example. Calls have often been made for intervention from a grassroots level and are increasing now that Mubarak is out and the Muslim Brotherhood are in.

Oh, Mr. Morsi definitely does. He has tried to appeal to the US, UN, European Union and Arab League to stop the aggression.

Calls have been made now because not enough has been done. The Muslim Brotherhood are actually blaming Arabs states for "watching the shed of Palestinian blood without moving a muscle." I completely agree with that.

Newkie · 11-18-2012, 08:33 AM

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Oh, Mr. Morsi definitely does. He has tried to appealed to the US, UN, European Union and Arab League to stop the aggression.

Calls have been made now because not enough has been done. The Muslim Brotherhood are actually blaming Arabs states for "watching the shed of Palestinian blood without moving a muscle." I completely agree with that.

Not enough done by the West? If so I definitely agree with you. As for the Arab states, i'm not really sure what they could do on a practical level. Military involvement is out of the question. If you enter into diplomacy, neither side will budge. If you try appeasement, or cave in to what would be the bulk of Israel's demands, you open yourself to domestic criticism and unrest.

They were definitely guilty of it long before now though.

Rjinn · 11-18-2012, 08:34 AM

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No current evidence is needed, the hatred of Isreal is second-nature. If they knew that there was any real chance of eliminating the state of Isreal, then they would jump in with both feet. Luckily Isreal has the power and the backing to prevent them from being wiped out.

Honestly I don't really get where all this assumed "hatred" is coming from. Their desire is to stop aggression towards Palestinians, not to go all Guerrilla on their ass. You're really just implying that the Arabs are uncivilised people.

Unknown Soldier · 11-18-2012, 08:51 AM

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Honestly I don't really get where all this assumed "hatred" is coming from. Their desire is to stop aggression towards Palestinians, not to go all Guerrilla on their ass.

Quite simple really, if you were chucked out of your home and then the new person living there dictated what was what to you, wouldn't you feel aggrieved? And then after several attempts to regain what was yours failed, wouldn't the hatred start boiling up inside you to take back what was yours?

The solution is now of course to divide that house up, so you live on one floor and the other floor goes to the other person. Or you share the house like civilized people, but they can't seem to do the second option.

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You're really just implying that the Arabs are uncivilised people.

They wash more often than me, so they can't be that uncivilized.

Newkie · 11-18-2012, 09:03 AM

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They wash more often than me, so they can't be that uncivilized.

But yeah, while the Hamas Covenant may not be the most popular view i think hate is a pretty appropriate term. Also entirely understandable.

Rjinn · 11-18-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Quite simple really, if you were chucked out of your home and then the new person living there dictated what was what to you, wouldn't you feel aggrieved? And then after several attempts to regain what was yours failed, wouldn't the hatred start boiling up inside you to take back what was yours?

You almost sounded sympathetic there.

You know, you can hate something and try take back what is yours without killing someone, right?

That doesn't explain why "all Arabs hate Israelis so they want to start a war."

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The solution is now of course to divide that house up, so you live on one floor and the other floor goes to the other person. Or you share the house like civilized people, but they can't seem to do the second option.

So you can just stomp into somebody's house, take over, order them to share it with you and say "Oh well he won't give it back so ok."

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They wash more often than me, so they can't be that uncivilized.

Heh...

Unknown Soldier · 11-18-2012, 09:43 AM

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But yeah, while the Hamas Covenant may not be the most popular view i think hate is a pretty appropriate term. Also entirely understandable.

The Hamas covenant basically outlines the obliteration of the state of Isreal, whilst stating that it is tolerant of other religions and peoples, as long as they don't interfere with Hamas ambitions, sounds pretty dictatorial to me.

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You almost sounded sympathetic there.

You know, you can hate something and try take back what is yours without killing someone, right?

I'm always sympathetic.

You can in most democratic systems with laws firmly in place. But where that doesn't exist in your favour, you have to resort to other methods which may or may not involve using violence.

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That doesn't explain why "all Arabs hate Israelis and want to start a war."

I'm sure you're fully aware of the conflict of hate that started in biblical times and this culture of hatred has been passed down generation after generation, it doesn't exist of course in all Arabs, only those that have been directly affected by Isreal, through either persecution or just being on the losing side in one of the numerous conflicts. I'm sure an average person in say Saudi Arabia doesn't have a deep-rooted hatred of Isreal, whilst somebody from the Lebanon is far more likely to. There is also the binding link of Islam to unite them against the common enemy as well.

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So you can just stomp into somebody's house, order them to share it with you and say "Oh well he won't give it back so ok."

There's no need to stomp in, they already share the same house. The problem is, the Isrealis have the run of the house, whilst the Palestinians live in the toilet and the shed.

Newkie · 11-18-2012, 09:44 AM

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So you can just stomp into somebody's house, order them to share it with you and say "Oh well he won't give it back so ok."

Sure, isn't that what happened in both the American continents, Australia, New Zealand, countless other colonies and then depending on how far you want to go back, Britain and virtually all of Europe themselves?