Mass murderer complains of a cold cell!!

The Batlord · 11-09-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

In the case of ABB, I don't really believe myself that he can be rehabilitated. I would like to be wrong, though. If I got my wish, he would gain understanding of how he's hurt so many people .. but of course that will never happen.

In cases like this (or someone like a Ted Bundy or Albert Fish), I think that we would be better served by putting them in an institution. They may not be "legally" insane, but they are certainly dysfunctional to the extreme. It's so hard to learn about these people (sociopaths) since by nature, they hide their dysfunction, and the only time we ever really can say with certainty that someone is a sociopath is when they commit crimes like this. So, I think it would be in our best interest to study these people so that we can better arm ourselves against them, and even possibly learn to recognize them when they are young.

**Janszoon** · 11-09-2012, 03:43 PM

Sounds like Breivik needs to spend a little time warming up in a Syrian prison.

FRED HALE SR. · 11-09-2012, 03:47 PM

Guy wouldn't last a day in Tent City. Its too hot!!!! Make up your mind loser.

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JustJunMC · 11-09-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

The Norwegian prison system is not a revenge system. The idea is that instead of having prisons work as boot camps for criminals, turning offenders into hard boiled criminals before they get out, Norwegian prisons should rehabilitate criminals so that they become lawful citizens once they're out. Noone suffers much in Norwegian prisons, I think, relatively and generally speaking when comparing them to prisons elsewhere in the world.

In the case of ABB, I don't really believe myself that he can be rehabilitated. I would like to be wrong, though. If I got my wish, he would gain understanding of how he's hurt so many people .. but of course that will never happen.

Whatever **** happens to him in jail, I don't really care and I hope he stays locked up for the rest of his life.

Prison cant be that good, even if it is Norweigan. People are locked inside a small cage. Even if it is not complete annihilation of suffering, it at least keeps people safe in the community and I dont expect normal people to want to or know how to make others suffer, even if it is for revenge.

JustJunMC · 11-09-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

In cases like this (or someone like a Ted Bundy or Albert Fish), I think that we would be better served by putting them in an institution. They may not be "legally" insane, but they are certainly dysfunctional to the extreme. It's so hard to learn about these people (sociopaths) since by nature, they hide their dysfunction, and the only time we ever really can say with certainty that someone is a sociopath is when they commit crimes like this. So, I think it would be in our best interest to study these people so that we can better arm ourselves against them, and even possibly learn to recognize them when they are young.

I agree with you and I believe that would help but how would we study a sociopath? They would be lying all the time so there is no way for us to really dig deep

Neapolitan · 11-09-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

... It's so hard to learn about these people (sociopaths) since by nature, they hide their dysfunction, and the only time we ever really can say with certainty that someone is a sociopath is when they commit crimes like this. So, I think it would be in our best interest to study these people so that we can better arm ourselves against them, and even possibly learn to recognize them when they are young.

I thought about that too, but wouldn't it turn out to be something like Minority Report, where a person is apprehended before a crime was ever committed? What happens if they figure statistically certain music and certain video games fit their criteria or MO, then they can haul off some kid to an institution because of his taste in music?

Trollheart · 11-09-2012, 06:20 PM

To be honest, in a way having had him committed would have been better, because he definitely didn't want that. He actually WANTED to be executed, but (Tore can correct me if I'm wrong) seems Norway has no death penalty? But he really believed himself sane, and being found insane would have really hurt him and troubled him more. Problem is, although that would have angered him, it would also have angered the relatives of the dead, because being locked up in a loony bin is not seen really as any sort of punishment, though I have no experience of such. It doesn't seem as unremittingly hopeless as jail (should be) though.

I guess Norwegian people are just too nice, but the warders should all get together and fill his cell from top to bottom with butter while he's out for his one-hour exercise break. And jam his TV onto a history channel doc about the holocaust or something, then "not hear him" when he screams for it to be changed.

OT: Tore, does "Lilyhammer", if you've seen it, accurately portray Norwegian life at all?

Guybrush · 11-09-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

To be honest, in a way having had him committed would have been better, because he definitely didn't want that. He actually WANTED to be executed, but (Tore can correct me if I'm wrong) seems Norway has no death penalty? But he really believed himself sane, and being found insane would have really hurt him and troubled him more. Problem is, although that would have angered him, it would also have angered the relatives of the dead, because being locked up in a loony bin is not seen really as any sort of punishment, though I have no experience of such. It doesn't seem as unremittingly hopeless as jail (should be) though.

I guess Norwegian people are just too nice, but the warders should all get together and fill his cell from top to bottom with butter while he's out for his one-hour exercise break. And jam his TV onto a history channel doc about the holocaust or something, then "not hear him" when he screams for it to be changed.

OT: Tore, does "Lilyhammer", if you've seen it, accurately portray Norwegian life at all?

I haven't really seen Lilyhammer, but my guess is that it does in a TVish sort of way

You're right that there's no death penalty here. In a sense, the Norwegian legal system wasn't really equipped to deal with this sort of crime. The last time anyone killed a lot of people in Norway was during the second world war, I believe. Maximum penalty here for murder is only 21 years which I think is pretty light on someone who's killed nearly 80 people. Many has worried that he'll be out on the streets again in 20 years time, although I'm pretty sure he'll spend the rest of his days locked up, somehow. Maybe he'll be institutionalized at some psych ward when his prison days are over.

Zer0 · 11-09-2012, 06:31 PM

There's prisoners in some of the world's most squalid prisons who would probably give anything to be in a cold cell in Norway, eating bread with no butter and drinking cold coffee.

The guy killed 77 people in cold blood, he's lucky that Norway no longer has capital punishment. The fucking nerve.

**Janszoon** · 11-09-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

He actually WANTED to be executed, but (Tore can correct me if I'm wrong) seems Norway has no death penalty?

No EU country has the death penalty do they?

11-09-2012, 03:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	To be honest, in a way having had him committed would have been better, because he definitely didn't want that. He actually WANTED to be executed, but (Tore can correct me if I'm wrong) seems Norway has no death penalty? But he really believed himself sane, and being found insane would have really hurt him and troubled him more. Problem is, although that would have angered him, it would also have angered the relatives of the dead, because being locked up in a loony bin is not seen really as any sort of punishment, though I have no experience of such. It doesn't seem as unremittingly hopeless as jail (should be) though. I guess Norwegian people are just too nice, but the warders should all get together and fill his cell from top to bottom with butter while he's out for his one-hour exercise break. And jam his TV onto a history channel doc about the holocaust or something, then "not hear him" when he screams for it to be changed. OT: Tore, does "Lilyhammer", if you've seen it, accurately portray Norwegian life at all? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

11-09-2012, 06:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
Zer0 ∞ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 3,792	There's prisoners in some of the world's most squalid prisons who would probably give anything to be in a cold cell in Norway, eating bread with no butter and drinking cold coffee. The guy killed 77 people in cold blood, he's lucky that Norway no longer has capital punishment. The fucking nerve. __________________ Last FM \| RYM \| The Final Sound

11-09-2012, 03:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
FRED HALE SR. Neo-Maxi-Zoom-Dweebie Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: So-Cal Posts: 3,752	Guy wouldn't last a day in Tent City. Its too hot!!!! Make up your mind loser. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...WTRvmupBqgiDHQ