'Dark Knight Rises' screening shooting in suburban Denver (12 dead, 38 wounded)

Unknown Soldier · 07-22-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Liberal states generally have more gun restrictions and anti-gun sentiment than conservative states.

So these would vote Democrat?

These questions might seem obvious to you and a lot on here, but we in the UK see little difference between Republicans and Democrats and often fail to see too much of a difference (even though I know there must be)

**Janszoon** · 07-22-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

So these would vote Democrat?

These questions might seem obvious to you and a lot on here, but we in the UK see little difference between Republicans and Democrats and often fail to see too much of a difference (even though I know there must be)

Yes, liberal states tend to vote democrat, while conservative states tend to vote republican.

**Exo** · 07-22-2012, 10:38 AM

If somebody walks in to a theater and shoots people eating a Burger King happy meal is that going to be debated as well?

I'm neutral on the gun battle. I just hate how it HAS to be a topic for concern when something bad happens. it's like our country as a whole goes "Well we don't like guns but we'll just ignore the fact until somebody kills a bunch of people".

Make up your ****ing minds USA.

Unknown Soldier · 07-22-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yes, liberal states tend to vote democrat, while conservative states tend to vote republican.

How they match with UK parties.

Conservatives =Republicans
Liberals =Democrats
Labour =They're too left wing for you guys

I guess if I lived there I'd be a Democrat voter.

**Janszoon** · 07-22-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

How they match with UK parties.

Conservatives =Republicans
Liberals =Democrats
Labour =They're too left wing for you guys

I guess if I lived there I'd be a Democrat voter.

Heh. I think our republicans are probably quite a bit more right wing than your conservatives.

Unknown Soldier · 07-22-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Heh. I think our republicans are probably quite a bit more right wing than your conservatives.

You obviously don't remember Margaret Thatcher then, the iron lady. She chewed up commies and the working classes for breakfast. She was loved in London and the South East and depised in the rest of the country. Hell, she even called Pinochet a great friend of the UK.

**Janszoon** · 07-22-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

You obviously don't remember Margaret Thatcher then, the iron lady. She chewed up commies and the working classes for breakfast. She was loved in London and the South East and depised in the rest of the country. Hell, she even called Pinochet a great friend of the UK.

Of course I remember Margaret Thatcher. She may have been really conservative by British standards but as far as know she never sought to abolish universal health care or pushed any kind of traditional religious agenda so I still think she's as far right as the typical republican politician.

blastingas10 · 07-22-2012, 02:12 PM

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Never really understood this reasoning.
If anything if someone breaks into your house and you put an extra gun into the mix I would have thought all that would do is escalate the tension & make things more unsafe, not protect you.

That makes a lot of sense. "kill me and my family, I'll even hand over my gun, I just don't want this to escalate." Bam, you're dead without even trying to fight back because you just didn't want things to "escalate". That's just being too damn passive. Relying on your ability to beg for your life probably isnt the best idea.

I understand why people are for gun control, what I don't understand is how anyone could think its going to stop incidents like this from happening. It's going to create an ever bigger black market for guns and put even more power into the hands of criminals.

**Janszoon** · 07-22-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I understand why people are for gun control, what I don't understand is how anyone could think its going to stop incidents like this from happening. It's going to create an ever bigger black market for guns and put even more power into the hands of criminals.

Do you think that's what's happened in countries with stricter gun laws? I was under the impression they have much lower gun crime rates than the US.

Salami · 07-22-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

That makes a lot of sense. "kill me and my family, I'll even hand over my gun, I just don't want this to escalate." Bam, you're dead without even trying to fight back because you just didn't want things to "escalate". That's just being too damn passive. Relying on your ability to beg for your life probably isnt the best idea.

Also I suppose there's the consequences of the law regarding to protecting oneself - keeping a gun to protect you from thieves is one thing, but there are cases in England like the farmer sent to prison for murder because he pushed a ladder away from his window a thief was using to climb into his house and killed him. You might think that's an isolated case of terrible judicial decision making, but it's not.

Here, to perhaps apologise to Jansz for generalising about his country earlier (sorry!) this is where I wouldn't mind a bit more of the US tendency to favour the "get the fuck off my land" over the fucking human rights of the thief. I really think that they ought to lose the protection of the law when they break it but they don't. However, I think this is a whole world removed from the issue of the man shooting innocent people.

Also picking up on Unknown Soldier's point about the comparison of UK/US political parties, I really would be inclined to agree with Jansz that our conservatives are nowhere near as right wing as the republican party. Especially the current coalition which is very liberal, they still put considerable financial support the state education and healthcare and many other aspects show a fairly left in tendency (in US terms).
The main difference between Labour and the Conservatives at the moment (don't misunderstand me - they both have innumerable faults) is that the Labour party favour spending as a mechanism to solve the country's deficit, the Conservatives favour austerity. If I might be allowed a small personal moan, why must the conservatives go about making life so much more miserable for us working classes and middle classes, axing childcare benefits marooning single mothers, making students pay through the nose for tuition fees and raise taxes for everyone except them, whilst the very wealthy remain barely affected because that's where the conservative support comes from.
I know it gets very boring hearing the same complaints from everyone, but dear god I'm fed up of this country's wealthy being appointed MPs when they reach a certain weight, or whatever name they've invented for that system.
I hate the fact that civil servants like the head of the city council get knighthoods for getting the job as a "pat on the back".

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