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Old 07-24-2012, 11:50 AM   #111 (permalink)
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Okay, well here's the breakdown...

The ten states with the highest rate of gun murder are:
  1. Louisiana
  2. Maryland
  3. Mississippi
  4. California
  5. Nevada
  6. South Carolina
  7. Illinois*
  8. Michigan*
  9. Arizona
  10. New Mexico*

The ten states with the lowest rate of gun murder are:
  1. New Hampshire
  2. Vermont*
  3. Hawaii*
  4. Wyoming
  5. North Dakota*
  6. Maine*
  7. Iowa*
  8. South Dakota
  9. Utah
  10. Idaho

States without the death penalty are marked with asterisks. Not too much of a pattern here, although if you look at the top five in each category, you notice that all of the worst states for gun murder have the death penalty, while only 2 out of 5 of the best states have it. It should also be pointed out that, even though New Hampshire has the death penalty on the books, they haven't executed anyone in over 35 years. Similarly, Wyoming hasn't executed anyone in 20 years.

(death penalty source, murder by gun source)
You're right there is no real pattern there. I guess the US crime problem is unique to itself.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:24 PM   #112 (permalink)
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:32 PM   #113 (permalink)
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Did anyone else see the same set of links at the bottom of that page as me? One of these things is not like the others:
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:39 PM   #114 (permalink)
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No I don't agree with guns at all, I'm just looking at the correlation between crime and economics. The two often go hand in hand, but in the case of the USA that doesn't seem to hold true and its something of exception. My only take on it, is that the USA was built up on guns and superior armaments over the indigenous population and gun culture developed and has been present ever since. In Europe we've never had the same historical parallels, so gun culture is totally alien to us.
No. If this were true we'd see higher rates of gun violence in the more recently settled territories of this country; we don't. Were your theory true the Dakotas, Wyoming, & Idaho wouldn't be among the least violent states when it comes to gun crimes. You're forgetting that this nation isn't monocultural, monoracial, or ethnically homogenous. We see disparities in violent crime amongst these various groups, most notably amongst the so-called "nams", which means non-asian minoritys, as they are over-represented in violent crime.

There is a neat survey of victims of violent/property crime which includes breakdowns by race/ethnicity of the attacker & victim link.
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Did anyone else see the same set of links at the bottom of that page as me? One of these things is not like the others:
The link actually took me to the mobile site... but I'm on my laptop? lol
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No. If this were true we'd see higher rates of gun violence in the more recently settled territories of this country; we don't. Were your theory true the Dakotas, Wyoming, & Idaho wouldn't be among the least violent states when it comes to gun crimes. You're forgetting that this nation isn't monocultural, monoracial, or ethnically homogenous. We see disparities in violent crime amongst these various groups, most notably amongst the so-called "nams", which means non-asian minoritys, as they are over-represented in violent crime.

There is a neat survey of victims of violent/property crime which includes breakdowns by race/ethnicity of the attacker & victim link.
Please don't start using this thread as a platform for your racist shit. Thanks.
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The link actually took me to the mobile site... but I'm on my laptop? lol
Sorry about that. I'm on my mobile during the day.
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Sorry about that. I'm on my mobile during the day.
Haha, I figured! It still works but at first I was like, WTF?
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No. If this were true we'd see higher rates of gun violence in the more recently settled territories of this country; we don't. Were your theory true the Dakotas, Wyoming, & Idaho wouldn't be among the least violent states when it comes to gun crimes. You're forgetting that this nation isn't monocultural, monoracial, or ethnically homogenous. We see disparities in violent crime amongst these various groups, most notably amongst the so-called "nams", which means non-asian minoritys, as they are over-represented in violent crime.

There is a neat survey of victims of violent/property crime which includes breakdowns by race/ethnicity of the attacker & victim link.
Using the ethnic minorities example, is always a weak card to play. We've discussed this on another thread before. Most recent immigrants into a 1st world country are going to enter it at the bottom end of the socio-economic scale and are going to be living in more deprived areas etc where higher crime is always more evident. You stick whites into these types of deprived areas and you are going to more or less get the same type of crime figures.

My reference to gun culture and where I believed it stemmed from, is just historical and was aimed at the whole country and not just to certain frontier type states.
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I was having a discussion about this earlier today. I may be alone in this opinion, but I think if a person is allowed to wield a firearm, they should undergo psychiatric check ups every few months
That's a nice, fluffy idealistic thought, but there are about 45 million gun owners in America (or more).

It'd be logistically impossible to enforce.
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