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Old 05-21-2012, 12:59 AM   #21 (permalink)
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No quotes from "Born This Way"? No? Seriously?

Anyways, I'm pretty sure gay people are born this way.
I don't really feel that Lady Gaga is a valid source when regarding the nature of homosexuality...
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:51 AM   #22 (permalink)
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But this is really all just splitting hairs and I would agree that someone has no choice in what they're sexually attracted to, and if I were speaking colloquially I would agree that you are "born gay".
Yeah, this sums it up for me.
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:03 AM   #23 (permalink)
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As far as I know, homosexuality is a complex issue which involves many factors. A couple of years ago or so, I read about a study that found out that homosexuality in men was linked to a genetic component which increases fertility in women. So this genetic component makes women more likely to become pregnant (which is why it's evolved), but also factors in homosexuality.

There are also many studies pointing towards the importance of the fetal environment. It's now "famously" known that the more older brothers you have, the higher chance you have of being gay. I can't remember the specifics behind this, but it has something to do with male fetuses triggering an immune reaction in their mothers which becomes stronger with each successive child.

This bit about homosexuality on 60 minutes is getting a little old, and I'm sure I posted it in another thread, but it is really interesting.







You guys should watch it if you haven't
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:47 AM   #24 (permalink)
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As far as I know, homosexuality is a complex issue which involves many factors. A couple of years ago or so, I read about a study that found out that homosexuality in men was linked to a genetic component which increases fertility in women. So this genetic component makes women more likely to become pregnant (which is why it's evolved), but also factors in homosexuality.

There are also many studies pointing towards the importance of the fetal environment. It's now "famously" known that the more older brothers you have, the higher chance you have of being gay. I can't remember the specifics behind this, but it has something to do with male fetuses triggering an immune reaction in their mothers which becomes stronger with each successive child.

This bit about homosexuality on 60 minutes is getting a little old, and I'm sure I posted it in another thread, but it is really interesting.







You guys should watch it if you haven't
All my gay friends just have younger brothers :P
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I don't really feel that Lady Gaga is a valid source when regarding the nature of homosexuality...
Who is Lady Gaga?
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:17 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Okay, is there any valid scientific research to back up this claim?
About as much as there is to back up every other preference people have.

There's no scientific evidence to back up that I'm born straight.
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:30 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I think, somewhere along the line, the whole nature v nurture argument would have to be thrown into the mix. If you consider the tabula rasa argument then it's hard to argue that people are born gay because they would have no disposition to favour either sex.
Having said that, I certainly don't remember any social stimuli that leaned me more one way than the other. One day there was nothing, the next 'wow, she's kinda nice....'.
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:47 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Those videos I posted up there actually do a pretty good job of summarizing advances made in uncovering the mystery that is homosexuality anno 2006.

I realize most probably won't be arsed with watching it, but they point out that homosexuality is not simply a behaviour, but also a physiological characteristic. They say nurture as the cause has been disproven, but that genetic components and the environment in the mothers womb during pregnancy are important factors. Needless to say, these factors play their role before the child is born.

It's also demonstrated how one can make rats sexually behave like the opposite sex; if females are administered testosterone at birth or males if they are castrated at birth, depriving them of testosterone. Rats are not humans, but it is indicative of how hormones may affect development.
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:38 PM   #29 (permalink)
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The APA states:

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There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.
link <--- it's on page #4.

This is important, as the previously held position of the APA was that sexuality was genetic.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:25 PM   #30 (permalink)
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This anonymous poll voter thread bumping thing drives me crazy, probably the 5th time it's happened since hhbh posted. Is there no way to disable it?
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