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Old 04-19-2012, 09:42 PM   #41 (permalink)
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But in all of these situations, that isn't a determination of freewill, no? Genetic permutations seem unrelated, but in one global system would you have no free will with the ability for genetic aberrations.

Whats the purpose there. Presumably something is making decisions for us. Right? Changes mean they'd have to be constantly making decisions to account for permutations or we have free will.
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Old 04-19-2012, 11:17 PM   #42 (permalink)
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But in all of these situations, that isn't a determination of freewill, no? Genetic permutations seem unrelated, but in one global system would you have no free will with the ability for genetic aberrations.

Whats the purpose there. Presumably something is making decisions for us. Right? Changes mean they'd have to be constantly making decisions to account for permutations or we have free will.
Why does there have to be a purpose? Why would you assume "something is making decisions for us"?
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Well if we're not doing it, who is?
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Well if we're not doing it, who is?
Why do you assume anyone is?
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Old 04-20-2012, 01:01 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Why does there have to be a purpose? Why would you assume "something is making decisions for us"?
Well if you were to follow that line of logic then God would be making those decisions. God would essentially be described as DNA/Cells or organic matter that is reacting to everything causing our actions.
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Why do you assume anyone is?
Its not my assumption. How do you supposed decisions are pre-determined if no one is determining them?
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Old 04-20-2012, 02:37 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Its not my assumption. How do you supposed decisions are pre-determined if no one is determining them?
The same way the path of a river is determined. A river doesn't decide to turn east or west, and no one decides for it. Its "choice" of direction is simply a product of how its natural properties interact with the environment.
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The same way the path of a river is determined. A river doesn't decide to turn east or west, and no one decides for it. Its "choice" of direction is simply a product of how its natural properties interact with the environment.
Rivers don't have frontal lobes, Mr. Zoon.
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Rivers don't have frontal lobes, Mr. Zoon.
Never said they did. It's what folks call "an analogy".
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Never said they did. It's what folks call "an analogy".
Oh man, "never said they did". I thought you were better than that. I know you didn't say it, but if you're going to say "well humans can do what rivers do" you really need to explain away the fact that rivers aren't sentient and people are.

Saying we don't have control over ourselves, but no one else does either - then using a river to explain how that would happen is not a good argument. Then again i guess you never said it was a good one.
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