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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg (Post 1152907)

In the urban areas of Louisville, my home, pretty much anybody with a Confederate flag pasted on their house or flying is a racist, and is letting everyone know it. Almost guaranteed. This is by far NOT how many, many southerners view it... I know, I've asked. Many southerners just view it as a symbol of independence. I disagree with using it in such a way because of its origins and how it makes African Americans (rightly) feel, but I digress. And yes, many of these same Confederate flag wavers DO love Lynyrnd Skynyrd.

I posted a stereotypical British view in an earlier post on the south, it seems it does have some credibility based on what you've put above.

yet, strangely Lynyrd Skynyrd are not racist

the Confederate flag is some sort of symbol to most Southern rock bands and outlaw country acts, that's it usually an emblem of the South, rather than a "hang a Negro on a tree" gesture

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck (Post 1152984)

I doubt Lynyrd Skynyrd and other southern rock bands are racist at all, but unfortunately they are a musical focal point and symbol for racists.

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg (Post 1152907)

The KKK was begun in Indiana. I have a coworker who lives very near the founding area, and he says there's all sorts of weird old KKK relics all over the place there.

Not quite; The first Klan was founded in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee, as a terrorist organization[9] by veterans of the Confederate Army.[14] They named it after the Greek word kuklos, which means circle. The name means "Circle of Brothers."[15] LINK

Not appreciated, jackass.

So, if there is a problem with flying a confederate flag, is there a problem with flying a flag with a black fist representing black power on it?

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1159236)

So, if there is a problem with flying a confederate flag, is there a problem with flying a flag with a black fist representing black power on it?

Is the black power movement for racial oppression of non-blacks?

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1159236)

So, if there is a problem with flying a confederate flag, is there a problem with flying a flag with a black fist representing black power on it?

The traditional leftist answer is along the lines of:

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So that we’re all clear, let me define how I see racism. From my point of view, racism happens when members of society's most powerful ethnic group suppresses other ethnic groups — through economic power, for example, or by having the power of the majority group.

In the United States, the most powerful ethnic group is white people. I don’t think anyone seriously objects to this observation. As such, and I hate to inform my white friends of the fact, but only white people can truly be racist. Hispanics, African-Americans, Asian-Americans or other ethnic groups simply aren’t powerful enough to practice racism.

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...you can actually see this argument being used to such as extremes that the Rwandan genocide is blamed on imperialism by Europeans, even though Rwanda had been independent for 32 years at that point.

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1159241)

Is the black power movement for racial oppression of non-blacks?

Let's take them at face value and pretend the "moderates" (e.g, Bobby Seale in his Panther days) have a monopoly on the term and are the majority of people who use it, Tore; if a white guy were to claim he wants racial homogeneity in his community, wanted his race to be in control of his community's government, economy, and media.... would he be considered racist? That's what these "Black Power" folks advocate.

If someone flies a white power flag, it's certainly racist. If someone flies a black power flag, it damn sure is racist as well. Only white people can truly be racist? That's a load crap. If I get jumped by a bunch of black guys, it's not a hate crime? But if a black guy gets jumped by a bunch of whites, it is? There are black people who are every bit as racist as white people.

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1159377)

The traditional leftist answer is along the lines of:

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...you can actually see this argument being used to such as extremes that the Rwandan genocide is blamed on imperialism by Europeans, even though Rwanda had been independent for 32 years at that point.

Let's take them at face value and pretend the "moderates" (e.g, Bobby Seale in his Panther days) have a monopoly on the term and are the majority of people who use it, Tore; if a white guy were to claim he wants racial homogeneity in his community, wanted his race to be in control of his community's government, economy, and media.... would he be considered racist? That's what these "Black Power" folks advocate.

Of course he would

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1159377)

Come on man, the Black Panthers were formed during a time when African-Americans had practically no free media,inadequate education, nor power in government.

Sure it sounds racist from an objective standpoint 50 years later, but if you have any sort of cultural awareness you'd know the two are not comparable.

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If I get jumped by a bunch of black guys, it's not a hate crime?

It is if it's a hate crime

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But if a black guy gets jumped by a bunch of whites, it is?

It is if it's a hate crime. There were never any group of African-Americans dedicated to the lynching and murder of innocent Caucasians. History does play a part in racism, believe it or not.