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Marriage is a man-made convention, not a god-made one, as much as people will blather on endlessly about Adam and Eve vs. Adam and Steve and all that silliness.

As such, laws change. It's not illegal in the states for women to have jobs. It's not illegal for people to practice religions that aren't Christianity. It's just commonplace, and accepted.

Like any group experiencing any manner of persecution, the tides are turning in favor of the homosexual population, at long last. 50 years from now, it will be ludicrous to people that gay marriage was ever even illegal. Mark my words.

And that's a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1153172)

I once knew somebody like you at university, he was a bit of tight-arsed prude like yourself really (excuse the pun). He would often go on about his disdain of gays and lesbians, and about how it just wasn't natural and how it went against Gods will. He was eventually shunned and laughed at by most other people much to his dismay, I wonder if he still believes this diatribe. I just thought I'd share this experience with you.

CAN YOU READ. I did not say that homosexual was not natural. Plus that hsi opinion.

Here is what I said

Homosexuality is natural but it is not right. However I do not hate homosexuals.

Maybe you should have read that before running your mouth. Jeez.

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Originally Posted by ThePhanastasio (Post 1153388)

Marriage is a man-made convention, not a god-made one, as much as people will blather on endlessly about Adam and Eve vs. Adam and Steve and all that silliness.

This is a good point, but even if you think it's a divine covenant, it makes not difference whatsoever to whether gay marriage should be considered illegitimate. I feel like repeating my objection to people who like to claim scriptural support for prohibiting gay marriage:

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Originally Posted by ME

I feel that what many people, especially in the USA, disapprove of gay marriage is from the Bible, especially since most people arguing against gay marriage seem to be Christians. I have looked at the verses in question, and found them completely unconvincing.

I looked more carefully at these verses. The one in Leviticus prohibiting a man lying with another man on pain of being stoned to death was one of the Church's favourites. Yet, when looked at in context, it is noticed that this is in THE SAME VERSE as trimming one's facial hair is also forbidden on pain of death. Unless one insists on keeping every other one of the 613 laws, it makes no sense to use that law as an imposition on the present. Even if you do, how should one cherry-pick the scripture - by what authority should you consider some laws relevant to today's society but others no longer required?

After reading other verses in the same way, I decided that the scriptural evidence for homosexuality being a sin was very poor indeed: even for Sodom and Gomorrah it was only referring to the acts being "sinful" in that circumstance - not necessarily implying that homosexuality itself is a sin.

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As such, laws change. It's not illegal in the states for women to have jobs. It's not illegal for people to practice religions that aren't Christianity. It's just commonplace, and accepted.

Like any group experiencing any manner of persecution, the tides are turning in favor of the homosexual population, at long last. 50 years from now, it will be ludicrous to people that gay marriage was ever even illegal. Mark my words.

And that's a good thing.

I fully agree with this. Persecution is probably the best term for it, and ultimately, what right do you have to dictate how other people enjoy each other's company?

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Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle (Post 1153570)

He's taking issue here with your claim that homosexuality is wrong. I'd like to ask where exactly you get that idea from?
If it is from the Bible, please see my previous post: My thoughts on this issue

If your objection is not from the Bible, what on earth could be the problem?

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Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle (Post 1153570)

Homosexuality is natural but it is not right

Explain how a man loving another man isn't right.

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Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle (Post 1153570)

Homosexuality is natural but it is not right. However I do not hate homosexuals.

Franco Pepe Kalle is natural but he's not right in the head. However I do not hate people like him.

Now that sentence of mine, probably makes more sense than yours.

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Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle (Post 1153570)

How is something between two consenting adults wrong, exactly? If you were arguing against rape or paedophilia I could understand but what is so wrong about being gay?

Is it because they don't normally produce children? I mean they can of course, with surrogates and sperm donors and whatever, but how really necessary is producing children in an overpopulated world?

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Originally Posted by Paloma (Post 1153646)

Is it because they don't normally produce children? I mean they can of course, with surrogates and sperm donors and whatever, but how really necessary is producing children in an overpopulated world?

Sometimes I think homosexuality is an evolutionary form of population control.

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Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle (Post 1153570)

Why would you view homosexuality as "natural" but insist that it's "wrong"? Seeing as reproduction isn't a possibility I'd say homosexuality is completely unnatural technically, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.

Why do gays want to get married?

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Originally Posted by FaSho (Post 1153665)

Why do gays want to get married?

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Originally Posted by Human Rights Act 1998

The right to marry and to start a family.

Because it's a human right?