Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

Engine · 02-08-2012, 01:35 PM

Christ, I obviously need to refrain from either drinking or posting in this subforum. I believe in everything I said, but it has little to do with the specific topic of Proposition 8's constitutionality. Sorry folks.

skaltezon · 02-08-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Engine

Christ, I obviously need to refrain from either drinking or posting in this subforum. I believe in everything I said, but it has little to do with the specific topic of Proposition 8's constitutionality. Sorry folks.

You addressed a subtopic that was being discussed, and you did it well. Right on point, I thought.

hip hop bunny hop · 02-08-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Of course those arguments don't make sense in context with whether same sex couples are going to be fulfilling the purpose of (1), but if that was a necessary prerequisite at this point, then it seems to me there would be laws that actually require there be a pay-in to that original reasoning from each couple gaining the material benefits. Since that's obviously not the case, then it stands to reason that the system isn't being harmed by those that don't.

Could you please clarify the underlined?

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Anyway, I don't think the issue (to people wanting to become married to a same-sex partner, and those that support it) is as much about material benefits as it is about acceptance and recognition as wed couples with the same status that other couples enjoy. I could be wrong, but it seems to me more of a societal issue that's being contested, rather than one of hard numbers.

I don't think that's very plausible, sorry; 41 states have outlawed gay marriage, of the six where it's legal not once has it been legalized through popular referendum.

So, then, what? Are people presuming they're going to sue and legislate unpopular legislation unto the American masses and thereby warm the cockles of the heart? Apologies for the sarcasm, but I've difficultly believing that's what they intend.

Freebase Dali · 02-08-2012, 06:28 PM

I'm not drunk enough to deal with you right now, rabbit boy. Give me another couple hours.

RVCA · 02-08-2012, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

So, then, what? Are people presuming they're going to sue and legislate unpopular legislation unto the American masses and thereby warm the cockles of the heart? Apologies for the sarcasm, but I've difficultly believing that's what they intend.

If you look at the voting demographics, hardly anyone under the age of 35 believes that homosexuals don't deserve the same rights as everyone else. In that sense, I think this gay marriage "issue" has already been settled. But it sure would be nice if we could avoid making the current generation suffer while we wait for the oldsters to die off.

Franco Pepe Kalle · 02-08-2012, 10:36 PM

It does not matter. Most people dislike gay marriage. It is not that hard to figure that out. I mean seriously, people pretty much said that they value traditional marriage. For example in Minnesota, they are trying to legalize gay marriage but the problem is that most people don't want gay marriage. So Gay Marriage is just a fantasy. It will never legalize in all 5o states.

Above · 02-09-2012, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle

Most people dislike gay marriage.

[Citation needed]

hip hop bunny hop · 02-09-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

If you look at the voting demographics, hardly anyone under the age of 35 believes that homosexuals don't deserve the same rights as everyone else. In that sense, I think this gay marriage "issue" has already been settled. But it sure would be nice if we could avoid making the current generation suffer while we wait for the oldsters to die off.

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A closer look at the opinions of various demographic groups on this issue shows that young people, especially those in their late teens and twenties, are more supportive of gay marriage than are older Americans. Even this youngest group of Americans do not, on balance, favor this idea; rather, they are divided. But that is in stark contrast to people in their forties and fifties, where twice as many oppose gay marriage as favor it. Among those in their sixties and seventies, opposition outnumbers support by as much as four-to-one.

LINK

Other points:

1) In the context of the USA, overall opinions - even when divided by age, race, gender or what have you - are deceptive because of the manner power is divided between State & Federal authorities as well as the rural communities continued power in the Senate. Even if, say, 60% of Americans approved of same-sex marriage, the results would be negligble until a majority of rural America feels the same.

2) America's fastest growing demographic groups are the same demographic groups which are most likely to oppose same sex marriage; consequently, it's reasonable to expect support for same sex marriage to decline as the relative number of whites, asians, and jews declines.

Franco Pepe Kalle · 02-11-2012, 09:16 AM

Well people, I am a traditionalist. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. Gay Marriage is a fantasy. Believe me, it will never approve in all 50 states. Maybe Nine states but not all 50 states. If you want gay marriage, go to New York. It is a good place for this to get married.

But most Americans refuse to recognize gay marriage. Californina, 53 percent of Americans supported Proposition 8. So it is pretty clear that most Americans do not support Gay Marriage.

Gay Marriage will never be approved in all 50 states. That can only be a fanatasy.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-11-2012, 09:46 AM

So you only want to pass laws when they're popular with the majority now?
Hell if they passed tax laws by popularity your country would be skint in less than 24 hours.

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Franco Pepe Kalle Mwana Nzala Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shakopee, Minnesota Posts: 627	It does not matter. Most people dislike gay marriage. It is not that hard to figure that out. I mean seriously, people pretty much said that they value traditional marriage. For example in Minnesota, they are trying to legalize gay marriage but the problem is that most people don't want gay marriage. So Gay Marriage is just a fantasy. It will never legalize in all 5o states. __________________ The problem with Franco Pepe Kalle is that he is a unpredictable character. There is surprising info about this man. You think he only likes Franco and Pepe Kalle but when you find out that he hears other artists, you are shock. Girls are the sexy thing that God created. Important to notice FPK.

02-11-2012, 09:16 AM	#39 (permalink)
Franco Pepe Kalle Mwana Nzala Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shakopee, Minnesota Posts: 627	Well people, I am a traditionalist. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. Gay Marriage is a fantasy. Believe me, it will never approve in all 50 states. Maybe Nine states but not all 50 states. If you want gay marriage, go to New York. It is a good place for this to get married. But most Americans refuse to recognize gay marriage. Californina, 53 percent of Americans supported Proposition 8. So it is pretty clear that most Americans do not support Gay Marriage. Gay Marriage will never be approved in all 50 states. That can only be a fanatasy. __________________ The problem with Franco Pepe Kalle is that he is a unpredictable character. There is surprising info about this man. You think he only likes Franco and Pepe Kalle but when you find out that he hears other artists, you are shock. Girls are the sexy thing that God created. Important to notice FPK.

02-11-2012, 09:46 AM	#40 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	So you only want to pass laws when they're popular with the majority now? Hell if they passed tax laws by popularity your country would be skint in less than 24 hours. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.