Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

FRED HALE SR. · 02-07-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

People who were denied civil rights now have them in California. Therefore it's a victory for civil rights. Pretty simple really.

I assume this will be overturned. I kind of agree with HHB on this, they went through the democratic process and voted and lost. Not saying its right, but thats why they voted in the first place.

Paedantic Basterd · 02-07-2012, 05:44 PM

I don't think equality is negotiable. I bet you could find places that would overturn the rights of black Americans if those places were offered a vote as well.

**Janszoon** · 02-07-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

I assume this will be overturned. I kind of agree with HHB on this, they went through the democratic process and voted and lost. Not saying its right, but thats why they voted in the first place.

Civil rights are not something that should be up for the popular vote though, that's the thing. It's what the founding fathers were referring to when they talked about "the tyranny of the mob".

midnight rain · 02-07-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

People who were denied civil rights now have them in California. Therefore it's a victory for civil rights. Pretty simple really.

So simple that I couldn't of put it any better.

Black people aren't the designated spokesmen for civil rights. It's really all about the victims, and lots of people only care if their own race, gender, religion or whatever is being violated of its civil rights.

**Frownland** · 02-07-2012, 05:53 PM

So Conan married his two employees in New York for nothing? He could've just waited a few months.

FRED HALE SR. · 02-07-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Civil rights are not something that should be up for the popular vote though, that's the thing. It's what the founding fathers were referring to when they talked about "the tyranny of the mob".

I agree its an unfortunate platform. My only grievance is that the voting process doesn't seem to be respected anymore.

Alfred · 02-07-2012, 06:01 PM

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Is same sex marriage even mentioned in the bible? I don't understand where the foundation of their hate for gay marriage comes from. It seems like it's just some personal belief that religious people have, and because they are religious, they justify it as a religious belief. But it's not just religious people that don't like gay marriage. There are plenty of non religious people who are just flat out hateful towards things that are different from themselves.

"Do ye not know that unrighteous persons shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who make women of themselves, nor who abuse themselves with men,"
1 Corinthians 6:9

skaltezon · 02-07-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

I assume this will be overturned. I kind of agree with HHB on this, they went through the democratic process and voted and lost. Not saying its right, but thats why they voted in the first place.

There's nothing holy about the democratic process. We have a Constitution for just that purpose: to guard against the tyranny of the majority. Hooray for the 9th Circuit.

Freebase Dali · 02-07-2012, 06:35 PM

Yea, Janszoon really summed it up with:

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Civil rights are not something that should be up for the popular vote...

Even barring the sanctity of the constitution, human rights don't have to be written on a founding document to validate them. The basic rights that this "majority" enjoys should be available to everyone and not stamped out because it doesn't align with the beliefs of whoever puts the most votes in the box.
When it comes to something like who a person loves and wants to spend the rest of their life with, and being able to reap the benefits of that decision, such a decision should not rest on a democratic process. The fact that there was ever a democratic process to decide such a thing is just as appalling as the outcome of its votes.

blastingas10 · 02-07-2012, 06:52 PM

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"Do ye not know that unrighteous persons shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who make women of themselves, nor who abuse themselves with men,"
1 Corinthians 6:9

Thanks for that. I guess gays "make women of themselves". That's a funny way to put it. Damn bible.

02-07-2012, 05:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	So Conan married his two employees in New York for nothing? He could've just waited a few months. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-07-2012, 05:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	I don't think equality is negotiable. I bet you could find places that would overturn the rights of black Americans if those places were offered a vote as well.