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Originally Posted by PoorOldPo (Post 1153806)

Ehhhhhh nope. What is morally wrong is hating another human being for being in love. Why is it that nearly every species on the planet has homosexual tendancies like humanity. Is nature morally wrong as well?

Franco, for me to even make the factual statement " They can't help the way they are born " is insulting enough as it is. People are born the way they are born, it is simple as that. You were not born with this hateful opinion, it was taught to you. please try to understand that.

Calling him names isn't going to change his opinion, life experiences will.

Hahahaha, once again you are being ridicilous. First of all, it is all in my opinion. If someone is gay, I will accept but I won't agree with it. As I said, if a state legalizes gay marriage, will I care? Nope. It happened. No problem with me. I am personally not for gay marriage.

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Originally Posted by Paloma (Post 1153811)

So why shouldn't they be able to get married?

Again, my personal belief. That is all.

America doesn't give a **** about your "personal belief". What is so bad about loving the same sex? How about if you love someone who is trans?

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Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle (Post 1153815)

Again, my personal belief. That is all.

In the most respectful and polite manner possible, can I ask you if you think this is justifiable grounds for objecting to the way other people live their lives?

And my last questions are here if you want to look at those too.

Okay, now try and continue this discussion like grown fucking adults. Anymore personal insults will result in infractions.

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Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle (Post 1153794)

It is that you love the SAME SEX. You should not love the same sex. You should love the opposite sex. But as I said, if someone is gay then I will not force them to change. They can be what they want even if I don't agree with it personally. DOES THAT EXPLAIN YOUR QUESTION?

But why? What are the moral implications for being gay? What negative effects will it have on the individual and/or society? I'm asking for specifics here.

You've pretty much skirted around the actual answe we've been looking for, Franco. We know you feel homosexuality is wrong (but that you're okay with gay people) but we want to know why in your opinion do you find it wrong?

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 1154075)

Okay, now try and continue this discussion like grown fucking adults. Anymore personal insults will result in infractions.

He's earned the insults by avoiding parts of the discussion that he seems unwilling to talk about (i.e. specific reasons why he feels homosexuality is wrong). If he wants to act like a troll, then he should be treated like a troll.

I don't care, this isn't the lounge, we have standards in this subforum that are quite clearly stated and if you don't feel like following them then don't post here.

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 1154105)

I don't care, this isn't the lounge, we have standards in this subforum that are quite clearly stated and if you don't feel like following them then don't post here.

Am I attacking him? I still think it's a lame rule that protects morons and doesn't really protect intelligent discussion. Trolls are trolls and deserve what they get.

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Originally Posted by Conan (Post 1154094)

This for me is our real problem. We've yet to see any clear moral reason for it being wrong. And it seems to me that this is unreasonable to oppose gay marriage from just a personal conviction that it's wrong.