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Old 01-11-2012, 02:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How so? In what way would a lack of state's right make the US have a king?
Because it takes power away from the individual. I didn't say it would make us exactly like a monarchy. I said it would make us a little more like one. Individuals have rights and state powers are a reflection of those rights. If state powers were taken away, then you would not have any states that have legalized gay marriage.

You cannot trust the federal government to always do the right thing.

I don't see how anyone could deny that the voice of the individual is going to have a little more power in a smaller state government. And no, states don't have the right to pass any law they want. So you won't find a state legalizing racial segregation or anything like that. There are individual liberties that are protected by the constitution and even if a state has power, it does not have the power to violate those liberties.

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Because it takes power away from the individual. I didn't say it would make us exactly like a monarchy. I said it would make us a little more like one. Individuals have rights and state powers are a reflection of those rights. If state powers were taken away, then you would not have any states that have legalized gay marriage.
In what way are state rights a reflection of individual rights? State's rights arguments have historically often been used as an excuse to trample the rights of individuals.

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You cannot trust the federal government to always do the right thing.
True. Same with your state government.
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In what way are state rights a reflection of individual rights? State's rights arguments have historically often been used as an excuse to trample the rights of individuals.


True. Same with your state government.
That's why the fourteenth amendment came into play.
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That's why the fourteenth amendment came into play.
And yet many states continue to do it to this very day.

My point, incidentally, is not that I'm opposed to state's rights. I'm just much more concerned with the rights of individuals.
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And yet many states continue to do it to this very day.

My point, incidentally, is not that I'm opposed to state's rights. I'm just much more concerned with the rights of individuals.
And the rights of the individual will always be reflected more on a state level than a federal level. If this wasn't the case then gay marriage and medicinal marijuana would not be legal in any state. Even though many people call for the legalization of marijuana and gay marriage, it hasn't affected the federal governments stance. But it has affected some state governments. Luckily we have state powers and in some cases have been able to legalize those things. But unfortunately the federal government overrides that and still raids the medicinal marijuana shops and doesn't consider gays to be legally married in any state.

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And the rights of the individual will always be reflected more on a state level than a federal level. If this wasn't the case then gay marriage and medicinal marijuana would not be legal in any state.
Always? If that were the case the federal government would never have had to intervene to get states to integrate their schools or drop religious requirements from their public offices.
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Always? If that were the case the federal government would never have had to intervene to get states to integrate their schools or drop religious requirements from their public offices.
Well the majority of the people in the state may have supported those things.

If a group of people in a state wants to legalize something like weed or gay marriage, are they more likely to affect law on a state level or a federal level? A state level.

But I guess you're right, not always. Luckily, when a state violates our liberties, then the federal government can intervene. We need to balance to power a little more. The federal government shouldn't have too much, and neither should the states.

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