American Presidency Campaign

blastingas10 · 01-11-2012, 12:52 AM

Dr. Paul finished second tonight! As for the racist thing, I think Paul feels that a man should have the freedom to be racist, but if that man takes action and harms another man, then it becomes a problem.

crash_override · 01-11-2012, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Dr. Paul finished second tonight! As for the racist thing, I think Paul feels that a man should have the freedom to be racist, but if that man takes action and harms another man, then it becomes a problem.

Second place finish in NH is huge. You already knew Romney was going to take 1st, it's HIS state... NH was a race for second from the start. Top-tier finishes in both Iowa and NH for Ron Paul are a huge victory. South Carolina will be the real test.

As for your take on the race thing, I get what you're saying, but I don't like the way you put it. I agree, that while racism is morally wrong, the government should have zero role in trying to enforce diversity and integration. Letting those things happen on their own is the only way we'll ever achieve true harmony as a society. In that aspect I agree with Dr. Paul, as I do about 90% of the time.

RVCA · 01-11-2012, 01:19 AM

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But RVCA, it's HIS opinion. That's what he believes. You believe differently on what you've read and decided is fact whereas Big3 knows different from experience. Please stop picking a fight or take it to PM please.

Opinions and beliefs are not immune to scrutiny.

ThePhanastasio · 01-11-2012, 01:22 AM

I actually do agree with RVCA in one sense: The whole purpose of a debate is to debate differing arguments. If someone believes differently from you, when you talk about it, that is debating.

Now, bringing semantics and whatnot into it seems like cheap shots, but different people debate in different ways.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 01-11-2012, 02:26 AM

But put downs are unnecessary and against the rules. That is where the line must be drawn in debating.

RVCA · 01-11-2012, 02:28 AM

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But put downs are unnecessary and against the rules. That is where the line must be drawn in debating.

Put downs? Can you point me to where I used "put downs"?

blastingas10 · 01-11-2012, 02:53 AM

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Second place finish in NH is huge. You already knew Romney was going to take 1st, it's HIS state... NH was a race for second from the start. Top-tier finishes in both Iowa and NH for Ron Paul are a huge victory. South Carolina will be the real test.

As for your take on the race thing, I get what you're saying, but I don't like the way you put it. I agree, that while racism is morally wrong, the government should have zero role in trying to enforce diversity and integration. Letting those things happen on their own is the only way we'll ever achieve true harmony as a society. In that aspect I agree with Dr. Paul, as I do about 90% of the time.

Why don't you like the way I put it?

I too think that racism is morally wrong. But if someone wants to be racist, that's their choice.

crash_override · 01-11-2012, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Why don't you like the way I put it?

I too think that racism is morally wrong. But if someone wants to be racist, that's their choice.

You just make it sound like it's no big deal to be racist. When in fact, it is. But that's a social matter, not a federal one.

Engine · 01-11-2012, 04:08 AM

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Wrong. Ron Paul is a Libertarian, through and through. He may be wearing Republican's clothing right now, but he's still a Libertarian.

The most important thing about the Libertarian Party's stance on - pretty much everything - is that things should be carried forth with an absolute minimum of government control.

Sorry for entering the conversation late but you do realize that Paul's version of libertarianism means that if you are gay or pro-choice or believe in separation of church and state and happen to live in a state or county or province that allows gay rights and abortion then everything's cool BUT that the flipside is that if you live in a state or county where they don't then .. you're fucked?

And of course this includes people who are too young to vote. Under this guy's rule I'd feel very sorry for a gay person or a woman of any age with an unwanted pregnancy (especially underage pregnant women) who happen to live in a pro-life, anti-gay state. That is, most of them.

And it costs a lot to move cross country.
I can't vote for that kind of leadership.

blastingas10 · 01-11-2012, 04:47 AM

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You just make it sound like it's no big deal to be racist. When in fact, it is. But that's a social matter, not a federal one.

Well it's very ignorant to be racist. If you're racist and you don't verbally or physically harm anyone who you are prejudiced against, then I don't think it is a big deal. In a way it is, but you're entitled to believe what you want. And as long as you don't exercise those beliefs in a harmful manner, then Its not that big of a deal, in my opinion. You're only harming yourself with your own ignorance. Unfortunately most racist people usually will exercise that racism in a harmful way.

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blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	Dr. Paul finished second tonight! As for the racist thing, I think Paul feels that a man should have the freedom to be racist, but if that man takes action and harms another man, then it becomes a problem.