American Presidency Campaign

~~Rubato~~ · 01-18-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Musicbanter has a way of making me sound like a Republican, so heres one more, why should I support these medical freeloaders? If you have a genetic issue, or are a high risk factor, thats one thing, but when you look at folks like Paula Dean who recently came out and said she had Type 2 diabetes, yet is on television weekly throwing 3 sticks of butter in her recipes.

I think you're overplaying the freeloading portion of the underclass. Lets spin this around, if you are against the idea of universal healthcare because you don't want to suffer to support these 'freeloaders' why should those that are genuinely trying to get their lives together suffer for them instead?

TheBig3 · 01-19-2012, 08:50 AM

How would they? Healthcare, largely is preventative. Modern Medicine isn't magic. They can keep you alive but not well - generally.

Now if you're talking about the cost of food, that I'll give you. The problems in America primarily rise from entrenched, institutional, systemic problems. McDonalds can "feed" a family of 5 for about $15. You can't buy a full meal at WholeFoods for that.

To that end, i'd agree with you, but that has nothing to do with Healthcare, and Universal Healthcare isn't going to fix that issue.

~~Rubato~~ · 01-19-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

How would they? Healthcare, largely is preventative. Modern Medicine isn't magic. They can keep you alive but not well - generally.

There are plenty of people across America that need healthcare but can't afford it. Public healthcare could help people with issues that are keeping them from being able to work, maybe then they can stop scrounging off the state huh?

TheBig3 · 01-19-2012, 11:38 AM

Don't make the assumption I am a republican. I don't think anyone is Scrounging, My point is, medicine works best when its preventative not reactive. So people who eat right and don't drive around the corner for smokes aren't folks we should be throwing money at.

~~Rubato~~ · 01-19-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Don't make the assumption I am a republican. I don't think anyone is Scrounging

Many apologies, you did use the word "freeloaders" and in my defense I have been reading comments from the yahoo community despite reminding myself to stay off that site.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

My point is, medicine works best when its preventative not reactive. So people who eat right and don't drive around the corner for smokes aren't folks we should be throwing money at.

As you've already pointed out, not everyone has the luxury of being able to afford to eat healthily and an addiction is something that should be covered by public healthcare. I agree that those on a self destructive path do put a burden on not only public spending but the hospitals themselves, however denying public healthcare just for the sake of a few bad eggs isn't solving anything. We should work on getting public healthcare first before trying to model it perfectly otherwise nothing will get done about it.

TheBig3 · 01-19-2012, 02:16 PM

Well I've said we have systemic problems. I understand the upsidedown price of food. Though to be direct, its highly cost effective to be a vegetarian. I think the cultural emphasis on meat does a lot of folks in.

Despite that, we currently have a system for healthcare directed at those who cannot afford it. As for addiction...I don't know if I agree with you.

Phantom Limb · 01-19-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

How would they? Healthcare, largely is preventative. Modern Medicine isn't magic. They can keep you alive but not well - generally.

Now if you're talking about the cost of food, that I'll give you. The problems in America primarily rise from entrenched, institutional, systemic problems. McDonalds can "feed" a family of 5 for about $15. You can't buy a full meal at WholeFoods for that.

To that end, i'd agree with you, but that has nothing to do with Healthcare, and Universal Healthcare isn't going to fix that issue.

Ummm, yes you can. Multiple meals actually.

blastingas10 · 01-19-2012, 03:13 PM

Rick Perry has dropped out.

anticipation · 01-19-2012, 04:53 PM

Anyone else believe that the next 2 or 3 presidents will all have to deal with a brain drain from US citizens who defect to more liberal European countries? I see governments like those of Spain, France, Switzerland, etc. giving more autonomy to their local judicial and legislative branches that can effectively handle social and economic issues. However, with the rash of idiotic/oppressive laws that are being signed into existence has a majority of young intellectuals upset at this country's political system. Will we see a migration en masse of college-educated academics leaving the country for less restrictive waters? or will they side with the government and become puppets for conglomorations like big pharma/big agro/big everything?

**Janszoon** · 01-19-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

Anyone else believe that the next 2 or 3 presidents will all have to deal with a brain drain from US citizens who defect to more liberal European countries? I see governments like those of Spain, France, Switzerland, etc. giving more autonomy to their local judicial and legislative branches that can effectively handle social and economic issues. However, with the rash of idiotic/oppressive laws that are being signed into existence has a majority of young intellectuals upset at this country's political system. Will we see a migration en masse of college-educated academics leaving the country for less restrictive waters? or will they side with the government and become puppets for conglomorations like big pharma/big agro/big everything?

No more so than when the same sorts of things happened in previous decades I suppose.

01-19-2012, 08:50 AM	#122 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	How would they? Healthcare, largely is preventative. Modern Medicine isn't magic. They can keep you alive but not well - generally. Now if you're talking about the cost of food, that I'll give you. The problems in America primarily rise from entrenched, institutional, systemic problems. McDonalds can "feed" a family of 5 for about $15. You can't buy a full meal at WholeFoods for that. To that end, i'd agree with you, but that has nothing to do with Healthcare, and Universal Healthcare isn't going to fix that issue. __________________ I've moved to a new address

01-19-2012, 11:38 AM	#124 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Don't make the assumption I am a republican. I don't think anyone is Scrounging, My point is, medicine works best when its preventative not reactive. So people who eat right and don't drive around the corner for smokes aren't folks we should be throwing money at. __________________ I've moved to a new address

01-19-2012, 02:16 PM	#126 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Well I've said we have systemic problems. I understand the upsidedown price of food. Though to be direct, its highly cost effective to be a vegetarian. I think the cultural emphasis on meat does a lot of folks in. Despite that, we currently have a system for healthcare directed at those who cannot afford it. As for addiction...I don't know if I agree with you. __________________ I've moved to a new address

01-19-2012, 03:13 PM	#128 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	Rick Perry has dropped out.

01-19-2012, 04:53 PM	#129 (permalink)
anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,565	Anyone else believe that the next 2 or 3 presidents will all have to deal with a brain drain from US citizens who defect to more liberal European countries? I see governments like those of Spain, France, Switzerland, etc. giving more autonomy to their local judicial and legislative branches that can effectively handle social and economic issues. However, with the rash of idiotic/oppressive laws that are being signed into existence has a majority of young intellectuals upset at this country's political system. Will we see a migration en masse of college-educated academics leaving the country for less restrictive waters? or will they side with the government and become puppets for conglomorations like big pharma/big agro/big everything?