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duga 12-31-2011 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Above (Post 1138670)
No. That's a very common and damaging misconception. GENDER and SEXUALITY are two completely different things.

You just said it. It's a COMMON misconception... Meaning most of the population would take it that way. There's just no way it can be done right now that wouldn't b taken in a "fear for my child's sexuality" kind of way.

Urban Hat€monger ? 12-31-2011 09:14 AM

I'm sure there are plenty of ways to educate transgender tolerance in film and TV.

Randomly crowbarring it into Disney movies just for the sake of it isn't one of them and would probably do more damage than good.

I just don't think it's a big enough issue that young children should have it forced down their throats. It'll probably just confuse them until they get older and can understand better anyway.

Above 12-31-2011 09:30 AM

I agree that the application of transgendered characters should be used sparingly. It should have something to do with the story, and they shouldn't just be background characters. Maybe their gender identity would add to their motivation to achieve their goals, or something similar.

hip hop bunny hop 12-31-2011 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Above (Post 1138670)
Actually, I am a girl. I just lack the equipment. That's how me and most other trans* individuals see themselves anyway.

...and the vast majority of society views gender as genetic and fails to see the value in acting as though cosmetic surgery can change gender.

Goofle 12-31-2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1138741)
...and the vast majority of society views gender as genetic and fails to see the value in acting as though cosmetic surgery can change gender.

Agree.

I personally think there is too much weight put upon gender. The real problem is the differences society has between Men and Women.

In my opinion, the only thing that separates us is our reproductive organs (AND BOOBS) and I don't think any Man or Woman should feel out of place within their gender because there shouldn't be set principles by which certain gender's should live by.

mr dave 12-31-2011 03:50 PM

While I don't doubt that there are plenty of confused children and adolescents who could greatly benefit from entertainment that helps them better relate to themselves and come to terms with some of their feelings; I don't at all agree that it should be shoehorned into being the responsibility of a private company that already has very clear public image in regards to more traditional social and family values.

If there's a group of people who are demanding this type of media, then they should step up and create it for themselves. Forcing Disney to change their methods to suit a vocal minority won't amount to anything besides pandering.

Above 12-31-2011 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1138741)
...and the vast majority of society views gender as genetic and fails to see the value in acting as though cosmetic surgery can change gender.

Unfortunately for you, I don't care how society views me. Who are you to tell me what a 'real' woman is? You're right; cosmetic surgery cannot change gender, but it can change sex organs and appearance. My GENDER has always been female. My sex is male. Different things bro.

Goofle 12-31-2011 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Above (Post 1138814)
Unfortunately for you, I don't care how society views me. Who are you to tell me what a 'real' woman is? You're right; cosmetic surgery cannot change gender, but it can change sex organs and appearance. My GENDER has always been female. My sex is male. Different things bro.

I don't understand this. How do you define what is male and female? To me they are the same thing besides reproductive organs. A female has vagina and a man has a penis. That's what separates us and gives us separate genders.

Whereas you seem to think you are female despite having male parts.

Do you consider yourself "female" because your personality suits the profile of a woman, and therefore you feel you should have been born a woman? Or is it deeper than that? Because if it was the former, I can't wrap my hear round it to be honest. Because I really don't like to consider men and women all that different, if at all.

I have no problem with any of this, it is just an interesting discussion.

Above 12-31-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TomClancy11 (Post 1138816)
Do you consider yourself "female" because your personality suits the profile of a woman, and therefore you feel you should have been born a woman? Or is it deeper than that? Because if it was the former, I can't wrap my hear round it to be honest. Because I really don't like to consider men and women all that different, if at all.

Happy to clarify, as this is where most of the confusion lies.

I don't consider myself female because I "fit the profile" of a woman. Gender roles need to go, which might seem hypocritical for me of all people to say this, but hear me out (it may get TMI though). In the psychological level, I am a woman, but not because I want to fit 'girly' stereotypes. I just am, you know? The way you're born with a sense of male-ness (for lack of a better word), I feel female in that sense. For the physical side, I feel as though my sex organs aren't what I should have, and I feel great discomfort dealing with the fact that I don't have breasts or a vagina.

Going off on a tangent here; hormone therapy is really great. It redistributes fat to the breasts and hips and butt so you get a natural pair of breasts and figure etc. Surgery is very sophisticated too. They turn the tip of the penis into a clitoris and you experience female orgasms (I warned this would be TMI, haha). Hoped this answered your questions.

Goofle 12-31-2011 04:33 PM

Glad you agree with me on the gender stereotypes issue and thanks for explaining.


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