God is in your mind?

blastingas10 · 12-17-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

Why would a universe that lacks a creator have "purpose"? If you don't believe that a sentient being sits behind the curtains and calls the shots, then from what source is a "purpose" derived to be attributed to our existence, or the existence of the universe?

And how does this discussion of purpose even relate to irreducible complexity?

I guess I should have been more clear and said that I don't believe in the traditional sense of a creator. I just believe there is something much deeper about our universe. I don't believe that it all sprang up from nothing.

Salami · 12-17-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I guess I should have been more clear and said that I don't believe in the traditional sense of a creator. I just believe there is something much deeper about our universe. I don't believe that it all sprang up from nothing.

You don't believe in ex nihilo? Even Christians believe there was nothing before the beginning.

Surely you believe in the big bang?If not, then why are galaxies moving away from each other? They must have been propelled away somehow.

blastingas10 · 12-17-2011, 05:35 PM

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You don't believe in ex nihilo? Even Christians believe there was nothing before the beginning.

Surely you believe in the big bang?If not, then why are galaxies moving away from each other? They must have been propelled away somehow.

I don't think the big bang should be considered as a fact. Scientists have found rings of radiation in the cosmos that may be older than the Big Bang, suggesting that event was just the latest in a series of rebirths. I think scientists will and should continue to challenge each other and continue to progress our knowledge about the world rather than concluding and halting our progression of knowledge. Unless something is absolutely undeniable.

Salami · 12-17-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I don't think the big bang should be considered as a fact. Scientists have found rings of radiation in the cosmos that may be older than the Big Bang, suggesting that event was just the latest in a series of rebirths. I think scientists will and should continue to challenge each other and continue to progress our knowledge about the world rather than concluding and halting our progression of knowledge. Unless something is absolutely undeniable.

But surely you don't believe in the fixed state theory? Even Fred Hoyle admitted he was wrong about that.

blastingas10 · 12-17-2011, 06:14 PM

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But surely you don't believe in the fixed state theory? Even Fred Hoyle admitted he was wrong about that.

I suppose I do unless there is a good, sensible argument against it.

Salami · 12-17-2011, 06:28 PM

Well, surely if galaxies are moving away from each other rapidly, then they must have been propelled away from each other somehow. And this propulsion must mean some kind of collision or explosion must have occurred. Hence the big bang.

blastingas10 · 12-17-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mighty Salami

Well, surely if galaxies are moving away from each other rapidly, then they must have been propelled away from each other somehow. And this propulsion must mean some kind of collision or explosion must have occurred. Hence the big bang.

I understand that. But I don't doubt that there is more about the big bang than what we currently understand.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 12-17-2011, 06:48 PM

God is in my mirror... but that might just be in my mind.

~~Rubato~~ · 12-17-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mighty Salami

Well, surely if galaxies are moving away from each other rapidly, then they must have been propelled away from each other somehow. And this propulsion must mean some kind of collision or explosion must have occurred. Hence the big bang.

or a white hole? just throwing it out there

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God is in my mirror... but that might just be in my mind.

You're Al Pacino?

RVCA · 12-17-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I guess I should have been more clear and said that I don't believe in the traditional sense of a creator. I just believe there is something much deeper about our universe. I don't believe that it all sprang up from nothing.

If you don't believe in a traditional creator, and you don't believe it all sprang up from nothing, I'm curious as what your beliefs exactly are. Mind elaborating?

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I don't think the big bang should be considered as a fact. Scientists have found rings of radiation in the cosmos that may be older than the Big Bang, suggesting that event was just the latest in a series of rebirths. I think scientists will and should continue to challenge each other and continue to progress our knowledge about the world rather than concluding and halting our progression of knowledge. Unless something is absolutely undeniable.

It's not considered a fact. No (credible) scientist considers The Big Bang Theory a fact, and that's because it's a theory. The Big Bang theory is currently the most reliable theory of creation that is most fully supported by observation and mathematics.

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Salami Get in ma belly Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1,385	Well, surely if galaxies are moving away from each other rapidly, then they must have been propelled away from each other somehow. And this propulsion must mean some kind of collision or explosion must have occurred. Hence the big bang.