seekn4

Slappy, you are on the right track however you have Jesus a little misunderstood just like most, what he meant by Israel is Gods chosen which is any one with a humble heart and contrite spirit, those are the only people that can learn something new. God wants to teach us how to love and forgive. Jesus also said "I have other sheep that are not of this fold" meaning his love us not just limited to one group of people. If you study the epistles of Paul you will see he was given the knowledge of what Christ actually meant. What you want to do is not far off from what Jesus was actually saying. It wasn't about congregating though and starting a "religion" Jesus was hinting to everyone to come out of organized religion, what Jesus was saying is to love and that the spirit of god is love, and within every person, God promised happiness and peace right? So each person needs do forgive and love everyone, then find what you love to do, find what makes you happy and do that, and that is different for everyone, everyone has different dreams and desires. Religion is living by a set of rules, and I believe if God was love and his spirit was in each individual, each individual has to follow their own guidance which will take them different places in this life but rooted in love. In Paul's epistles he was explaining that it has nothing to do with genealogy or if you are a Jew or not, it is for everyone and anyone who chooses to follow the feeling of love inside them. So no need to start a new religion, the religion is Love if you want to call that a religion. In other words do what I have been trying to get across here in my posts, with the exceptions of where I have been trying to open tores mind to New possibilities, go back and read my posts and you will see you and me think pretty much the same. And what I'd believe can be found in the bible too, or the Koran, or the Tao, or the Vedic texts, or any cultures holy books for that matter, they are all saying the same thing but have been grossly misinterpreted, if you have a belief that doesn't make you feel love and peace get rid of it and pay attention to how you feel in your heart, "religious" people ignore their inner guidance which is how you feel for words written in a book and that supposedly come from God, if it doesn't make you feel love, or isnt moving you towards love, it is not of God. Stay on your path bro and you will figure it out, seek inner peace. But if you study Paul's epistles you will come out with a whole different view of Jesus's message, the message we all know is right, but don't forget Paul was a smartass, and I believe that is why he has been so misinterpreted, in the same way I misinterpreted janszoon previously, I got a different meaning to what he meant cause I wasn't aware he was being a smartass. God created a bunch of individuals not robots.
In one of Paul's epistles there is a scripture that says something to the effect the " he is not a Jew who has had a circumcision of the flesh, he is a Jew who has made a circumcision of the heart" which includes everyone who has made the decision to love, I doesn't matter who you are, where you are from. It is done on the inside. If you think about we were perfect as children, when we were kids we had no hate for other people, people were just people, we were taught to hate and judge, could that be why Jesus said that you must become as a little child? Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is inside you and all around you, not once in the scriptures does it say heaven is after you die, and yet that is a worldly belief. The death the bible speaks of is the ego death, killing the judgement within, in doing so you become a new person. Like it says " the lion will lay with the lamb" what that is saying is that 2 creatures (people) who were once natural enemies will live in peace, which means forgiveness has come in. So as you can see slappy, the religion you want to create is true Christianity, and that is the spirit of God within you, and I believe that same spirit is in all people if they look for it, and let go of their egotistical beliefs.

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slappyjenkins

Paul never knew Jesus, and the things Paul had to say about Jesus were simply his own interpretations. Why you would ever use Paul to try to understand Jesus is beyond me. That is probably the worse example you could have used.

And..NO...what God and Jesus meant by ISRAEL is always been what its been from the first time its ever been mentioned...Israel is the great nation born of the lineage of Abraham....you do know this right? Israel is in no way 'whoever is humble and has a contrite spirit'. It involves the lineage of Abraham, the land of Caanan, and the promise that God made to Abraham to make a great nation of his 'line'.

Jesus went to and sent disciples to Israel to try to bring back his 'lost sheep' and when ISRAEL rejected Jesus, that is only when Jesus went out to the 'gentiles'.

Also that word Gentiles, is not a Hebrew word, it never existed in the Hebrew language, and was translated into the bible erroneously. That is a roman word that means not a roman citizen. The original word in the hebrew language is GOY, meaning nations.

Here is an interesting link to it
Who Are The Gentiles?

And what I based my assumption on was the following scriptures...

Matthew 10:5-6 These twelve (disciples) Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel."

And also the test of faith...
Matthew 15:22-34
22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
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Now it is true that here it is said...
Romans 3:29
Is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also.

But that word doesn't mean non-jews or non-israelites...the hebrew word used there was GOY/GOYIM, which means nations. He is the God of the other nations besides Israel also. But you must understand at the time they didn't know 70 percent of the earth was here....so there's no way that can apply to us. They didn't know north america was here or that the United States would ever be here.

So he was the God of the Israelites and of the other nations that they knew existed at the time...

Christianity is a REGION based religion made for only one set of people, and it was either forced on us through missionaries or we adopted it because we heard the call of Jesus.

But here also is what some bible historians had to say about Paul....

Paul had no contact with the Jesus of history. He never met him and never heard him preach. Moreover, Paul stresses he had minimal contact with Jesus’ successors – the Jesus Movement in Jerusalem. From Paul’s letters we know he was shadowed throughout his missionary journeys by emissaries from Jerusalem who were convinced that Paul was spreading a deviant message. In addition, Paul rarely quotes or refers to Jesus’ teachings when formulating or defending his own point of view.

It is concluded that there is only a slim connection between the teachings of Paul and those of the Jesus of history. Either the life and teachings and teachings of the historical Jesus were not of interest to Paul or else they were simply not known. His focus is on the Christ figure, the postdeath and post-resurrected Jesus, who communicates directly with him and through him. This reinforces the view that Paul was the founder of a separate religion, one about the Christ, not one centered upon the teachings and mission of Jesus.

seekn4

So you are saying the only people that can understand Jesus's message is people who physically met him? Well you can believe what you want, Jesus's message was love and you can't have love without forgiveness. And there is no judgement in love.
And as you stated Jesus's disciples said send her away, although he himself didn't,could that be why Paul had little contact with his disciples. Paul even rebukes peter infront of many people. Cause even some of his disciples didn't get it.
Jesus didn't even condemn the prostitute, Jesus hung out with drunks and hookers, all of the people the world judged and loved them anyway.
If you think you have come up with a new idea or philosophy you are mistaken, Jesus said "he who has not sinned cast the first stone" which is saying no one has the right to judge or condemn anyone cause we have all made mistakes, like it says in the scripture " no one is above sin, no not one" so I'm sorry the religion that you want to start is what Jesus's message really was, I don't understand why you would argue with me about it, I'm sorry but you have not come up with something new.
Did Jesus not tell his followers to preach to all of the nation's of the earth? So tell me how Christianity is only for people of one region? Forgiveness and love is for everyone. That was his message.
Quoting scriptures doesn't make you wise, understanding the message does.
Don't try to pawn someone else's message off as your own, and that message is what we were born with and thru worldly teachings we lost it in translation.
There are so many more scriptures about Jesus than is in the bible, have you studied the dead sea scrolls or the nag hamundi library? (not sure if I spelled that correctly, but google it and you find it) if you do you will get a clearer picture of Jesus's message, and it is what you were saying in your first post, jeez, I don't know why you would argue? I was confirming your philosophy, and you are now irritated because it is nothing new. Your ego has you blinded.
What you read in the bible about Jesus doesn't even scratch the surface of what was written about him, so why not read it all before jumping to any conclusions about him.
You aren't even tolerant of people who agree with you, so you might want to hold off on starting a religion.
And if you will look at the old testiment God changed Jacobs name to Israel which means "God's chosen" which has nothing to do with where you are born.

slappyjenkins

seek, I am not irritated, sorry...It was just the first few things you said were kind of wrong about Paul and about Israel...

And the last bit I put in about Paul was a paper written by a DOCTOR and bible professor. Not even my words buddy.....

And hey I love Jesus! I never said a bad word about him. Those are scriptures right out of the bible.

My desire to start a new religion is mainly because the existing organized religions are pushing their own personal agendas. They have their own set of laws and doctrines which you MUST follow with no room for freedom of thought. These religions will right out KICK YOU OUT if you buck the system. They will convince your own family members to turn on you!

Example: To become a Jehova's Witness you go through a ceremony where elders of the Kingdom Hall near you bring you into an assembly room, have you raise your hand in a pledge gesture. Then they ask you very specific questions. Like do you believe in the trinity. Will Adam and Eve have a chance of ressurection? Hold old is the planet earth? Are we living in the end of days? And if you don't answer the prepared answer that goes along with the JWs doctrine you are not even allowed to become a JW. Once you are inside the JW if you choose to leave for any reason they will disassociate you.

Same with SCIENTOLOGY -- even if you are born into scientology and decide to leave you have to pay a 'freeloaders' penalty where they charge you for the food and board for ever how long you have been there. Some of these bills come out to hundreds of thousands of dollars. If you have family members still inside the church they will turn those family members against you.

^^THIS is what I have a problem with. NOT JESUS. I believe a true religion should be for ALL THE WORLD. Should accept you for who you are! If you have tattoos all over you and you are a lesbian or you once robbed a bank, so what! We love you! Come on in and lets talk about God and getting along. I also believe a true religion would never slam the door on someone for wanting to get out of the religion. It should have an open door at all times for people to come and go and be free thinkers. I also believe that a true religion would never in any form ask its members for money or push a social or political agenda of any kind.

When I say TRUE religion I mean a religion that is based on the seeking of the love and knowledge of God. It can not be based on finances or political or social agendas and it can not use fear tactics or mind control of any kind on its members.

Does anyone know of a religion like this?

seekn4

Dude I agree 100% with you philosophy, but what I am saying is that was Jesus's philosophy too.
And just cause something was written by a doctor or a scholar doesn't make it true.
In other texts there is a story about his disciples walking in and he was laying naked in bed with another man. In another he was rebuked by his disciples cause he was making out with Mary. He laid down no law but "love the lord thy god with all you heart, soul, mind and strength. And love your neighbor as yourself. Now can you be gay, and have tatoos and still do that, the answer is an overwhelming YES, and the religions interpret it differently.
I love you man, nice to have someone here to contribute cause we are outnumbered here.
The message you are trying to get out is exactly what Jesus was preaching, that should make you feel good, cause that is the spirit of god the bible speaks of.

slappyjenkins

Seek I hope the point gets across that I was not mad at you or arguing with you.

I love Jesus. And I love you. I didn't want to argue.

I just see so much pain and confusion being caused by organized religion.

That was the point of my response. And that it agreed with Duck's initial post of how he believes the universe got started.

That's all! Look back over my post, I didn't say nuthin' bad about Jesus!

I don't want him coming to my house kickin' my ass!

*knock knock knock
Me: Who is it?
Jesus: It's me...Jesus
Me: (opens door) Jesus!!!!
Jesus: What you been saying about me on the internet huh?
(begins mud-stompin' my ass)
Me: ohhh Jesus stop whoppin' my ass! I didn't say nuthin'! I swear to Jesus!
Jesus: Oh you being funny? You think you funny! How you like these warts on your ass and from now on its gonna rain frogs on you where ever you go. Try to get a date now you wart assed, frogged raining *******.

see i do NOT want this to happen.....

slappyjenkins

oh hey man that was what they said about PAUL...that paper didn't say anything about Jesus...

Slappy said.....

seekn4

If you really study Paul he is saying exactly what you are saying and exactly what Jesus was saying.