God is in your mind?

seekn4 · 11-27-2012, 03:54 PM

Blastin you are my hero dude

Forward To Death · 11-27-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

But logic can be subjective. What may be logical to one person may not be to another. When Copernicus theorized that the sun was at the center of the universe, I'm sure it wasn't logical to other minds at the time. Even minds that were intelligent for their time. He had to open his mind to something that seemed illogical according to the current paradigm.

So, in theory, everything that seems logical to us now could very well be proven to be illogical by some revolutionary thinker in the future.

I have to agree with what seek says above. Just because we are sure we are right at the moment doesn't mean that we are indefinitely right. It only seems logical to me that some of the truths of today will be the fallacies of tomorrow, as we are always progressing our knowledge of the world.

Logic can be subjective from one person to the next, but technical logic still exists. An assumption, for example, is a logical fallacy. You can dispute the legitimacy of the rules of logic all day, but at the end it's still blatant that an assumption is by definition unsubstantial.

"truth" is constantly changing, and that's why there's a theory that absolutes cannot exist, the exception to the rule being the rule itself. Personally, that seems pretty ridiculous, and the theory breaks it's own rule, and it leaves everything open for discussion. When you think about it, it almost makes sense. Nothing is really for certain. Everything from mathematics, existence, morality, etc. is up for debate.

I personally don't believe in any supreme being, but I don't deny the existence of one (or even multiple). When I'm dead, maybe I'll find out. Maybe not, maybe there are gods and no afterlife.

seekn4 · 11-27-2012, 04:19 PM

Forward, thank you for your post, almost exactly what I have been saying, there is no one truth all realities exist at the same time, and you brought up a good point, what is there in this world that is not debatable, that is what needs to be sought out, does anyone know what that is? It is emotions and how they feel, love=good, anger/judgement = bad

Forward To Death · 11-27-2012, 04:29 PM

I wouldn't call them realities, just possibilities.

I think the "can't be quantified=does not exist" attitude of most atheists is as irrational as making the assumption that a deity exists.

seekn4 · 11-27-2012, 04:55 PM

Isn't love the deity that exists in all of us.
Here is to those that love for they shine a light on the world and here is to those who hate cause they only hate cause they don't feel loved.

Guybrush · 11-27-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Going with the explanation that requires less new assumptions, and less thought doesn't seem to be a very fruitful way of looking at things. Sure, it may lead to the most plausible answer but if this is how we always approached the mysteries of our world then I don't think we would have come as far as we have. All of the revolutionary thinkers of the past would have never been.

This methodology is something you use to build an understanding of the world piece by piece. You build it with big, fat bricks and a strong foundation - well tested "truths". Otherwise you end up with a house of cards where the whole thing can come crashing down because the assumptions making up the fundament where based on faulty theory or flimsy thought and so everything based on them likewise.

It doesn't mean that you can't think big, interesting thoughts. It doesn't mean you can't be innovative or even revolutionary. Scientists achieve tremendous things every day. It just means that you should be critical.

I'm for open minds. I just think people should be careful not to fill them with lies.

Forward To Death · 11-27-2012, 04:57 PM

I dunno, I think there are some people perfectly incapable of love, man.

Guybrush · 11-27-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by seekn4

Isn't love the deity that exists in all of us.
Here is to those that love for they shine a light on the world and here is to those who hate cause they only hate cause they don't feel loved.

What if someone hates someone for killing their spouse? Does that also come from a lack of love?

Forward To Death · 11-27-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

This methodology is something you use to build an understanding of the world piece by piece. You build it with big, fat bricks and a strong foundation - well tested "truths". Otherwise you end up with a house of cards where the whole thing can come crashing down because the assumptions making up the fundament where based on faulty theory or flimsy thought and so everything based on them likewise.

It doesn't mean that you can't think big, interesting thoughts. It doesn't mean you can't be innovative or revolutionary. Scientists achieve tremendous things every day. It just means that you should be critical.

I'm for open minds. I just think people should be careful not to fill them with lies.

Yeah, and I've yet to see solid proof of deities. Although, this is why religion is often referred to as faith. It's just as hard to disprove as it is to prove, and that's what's so tricky about any religious topic; all you can really do is speculate.

My parents are very religious (even if it is a faux religious complex) and when they get drunk they try to antagonize me into arguing with them, and I can't really say I've heard any other take on religion. It always seems lime it's backed with "how did the planets get here" and "why do we exist", and it always seems to end with me being accused of being a heathen. I'm not saying those are the only types of religious people, or that there aren't better arguments, but that's what it always comes down to when you're discussing religion.

Why isn't gay marriage universally accepted yet? It's such a primitive ideology.

seekn4 · 11-27-2012, 05:17 PM

I dunno Jesus said to do what he says and then you will know if there is a god or not, I guess the only way to know for sure is to try all avenues. God is love. To tores last post I think the answer is an obvious YES. Hate is a lack of love.

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seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	I dunno Jesus said to do what he says and then you will know if there is a god or not, I guess the only way to know for sure is to try all avenues. God is love. To tores last post I think the answer is an obvious YES. Hate is a lack of love. Last edited by seekn4; 11-27-2012 at 05:26 PM.

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seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	Blastin you are my hero dude

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seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	Forward, thank you for your post, almost exactly what I have been saying, there is no one truth all realities exist at the same time, and you brought up a good point, what is there in this world that is not debatable, that is what needs to be sought out, does anyone know what that is? It is emotions and how they feel, love=good, anger/judgement = bad

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Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	I wouldn't call them realities, just possibilities. I think the "can't be quantified=does not exist" attitude of most atheists is as irrational as making the assumption that a deity exists.

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seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	Isn't love the deity that exists in all of us. Here is to those that love for they shine a light on the world and here is to those who hate cause they only hate cause they don't feel loved.

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Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	I dunno, I think there are some people perfectly incapable of love, man.