God is in your mind?

blastingas10 · 11-26-2012, 08:20 PM

I guess I'm the only one who finds this to be pretty comical

seekn4 · 11-26-2012, 08:30 PM

I have been laughing my ass off, this is like going to the comedy club, its fun to play the devils advocate, this thread was pretty boring before I got here, just figured I would get everyone fired up and thinking

The Batlord · 11-27-2012, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Going with the explanation that requires less new assumptions, and less thought doesn't seem to be a very fruitful way of looking at things. Sure, it may lead to the most plausible answer but if this is how we always approached the mysteries of our world then I don't think we would have come as far as we have. All of the revolutionary thinkers of the past would have never been.

It's the only way to think logically. You assume the most logical explanation, and then move on from there with the scientific method. If the most logical explanation ISN'T the correct explanation, then the scientific method should show that. Anything else is just a recipe for self deception.

blastingas10 · 11-27-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

It's the only way to think logically. You assume the most logical explanation, and then move on from there with the scientific method. If the most logical explanation ISN'T the correct explanation, then the scientific method should show that. Anything else is just a recipe for self deception.

But logic can be subjective. What may be logical to one person may not be to another. When Copernicus theorized that the sun was at the center of the universe, I'm sure it wasn't logical to other minds at the time. Even minds that were intelligent for their time. He had to open his mind to something that seemed illogical according to the current paradigm.

So, in theory, everything that seems logical to us now could very well be proven to be illogical by some revolutionary thinker in the future.

I have to agree with what seek says above. Just because we are sure we are right at the moment doesn't mean that we are indefinitely right. It only seems logical to me that some of the truths of today will be the fallacies of tomorrow, as we are always progressing our knowledge of the world.

Forward To Death · 11-27-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

But logic can be subjective. What may be logical to one person may not be to another. When Copernicus theorized that the sun was at the center of the universe, I'm sure it wasn't logical to other minds at the time. Even minds that were intelligent for their time. He had to open his mind to something that seemed illogical according to the current paradigm.

So, in theory, everything that seems logical to us now could very well be proven to be illogical by some revolutionary thinker in the future.

I have to agree with what seek says above. Just because we are sure we are right at the moment doesn't mean that we are indefinitely right. It only seems logical to me that some of the truths of today will be the fallacies of tomorrow, as we are always progressing our knowledge of the world.

Logic can be subjective from one person to the next, but technical logic still exists. An assumption, for example, is a logical fallacy. You can dispute the legitimacy of the rules of logic all day, but at the end it's still blatant that an assumption is by definition unsubstantial.

"truth" is constantly changing, and that's why there's a theory that absolutes cannot exist, the exception to the rule being the rule itself. Personally, that seems pretty ridiculous, and the theory breaks it's own rule, and it leaves everything open for discussion. When you think about it, it almost makes sense. Nothing is really for certain. Everything from mathematics, existence, morality, etc. is up for debate.

I personally don't believe in any supreme being, but I don't deny the existence of one (or even multiple). When I'm dead, maybe I'll find out. Maybe not, maybe there are gods and no afterlife.

Necromancer · 11-27-2012, 09:25 AM

Religion is for the weak minded.

seekn4 · 11-27-2012, 09:38 AM

I don't believe in religion either, religion divides, love unites and negative emotions are for the weak minded, just cause I speak of the bible and ancient texts doesn't mean I'm religious, that is no different than reading a history book. And not having an opinion that isn't fed to you in school is weak minded too, wouldn't you agree? Incase you haven't noticed in history, the worlds consensus has always been proved incomplete by the next generation, what makes you think they have it all figured out now? The scientific consensus at one time thought the world was flat, and if you believe the worlds consensus is 100% accurate now you will be left in the dust just like the flat landers. It's not even logical to believe that the consensus is right, hasn't history proved that?
If everyone believed just what we are taught in school, there would be no new discoveries would there, if everyone thought like the majority of people on this thread the world would never evolve past what you see today, so thank God there are people who think for themselves. And believe nothing is impossible. If yall were alive 80 years ago, you would be the people who laughed at people that said we can go to space and you would have been proved wrong. Can't you see you share the same mentality as those people, irrational. In light of how the world has progressed in the last 100 year's isn't it illogical to say anything is impossible? You who claim to be logical are the enemies of logic.
Thank God there are people that think like me or else we would still be riding horses.
It takes courage to go into the realm of the unknown.

seekn4 · 11-27-2012, 02:54 PM

Blastin you are my hero dude

seekn4 · 11-27-2012, 03:19 PM

Forward, thank you for your post, almost exactly what I have been saying, there is no one truth all realities exist at the same time, and you brought up a good point, what is there in this world that is not debatable, that is what needs to be sought out, does anyone know what that is? It is emotions and how they feel, love=good, anger/judgement = bad

Forward To Death · 11-27-2012, 03:29 PM

I wouldn't call them realities, just possibilities.

I think the "can't be quantified=does not exist" attitude of most atheists is as irrational as making the assumption that a deity exists.

11-27-2012, 09:38 AM	#7 (permalink)
seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	I don't believe in religion either, religion divides, love unites and negative emotions are for the weak minded, just cause I speak of the bible and ancient texts doesn't mean I'm religious, that is no different than reading a history book. And not having an opinion that isn't fed to you in school is weak minded too, wouldn't you agree? Incase you haven't noticed in history, the worlds consensus has always been proved incomplete by the next generation, what makes you think they have it all figured out now? The scientific consensus at one time thought the world was flat, and if you believe the worlds consensus is 100% accurate now you will be left in the dust just like the flat landers. It's not even logical to believe that the consensus is right, hasn't history proved that? If everyone believed just what we are taught in school, there would be no new discoveries would there, if everyone thought like the majority of people on this thread the world would never evolve past what you see today, so thank God there are people who think for themselves. And believe nothing is impossible. If yall were alive 80 years ago, you would be the people who laughed at people that said we can go to space and you would have been proved wrong. Can't you see you share the same mentality as those people, irrational. In light of how the world has progressed in the last 100 year's isn't it illogical to say anything is impossible? You who claim to be logical are the enemies of logic. Thank God there are people that think like me or else we would still be riding horses. It takes courage to go into the realm of the unknown. Last edited by seekn4; 11-27-2012 at 10:27 AM.

11-26-2012, 08:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I guess I'm the only one who finds this to be pretty comical

11-26-2012, 08:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	I have been laughing my ass off, this is like going to the comedy club, its fun to play the devils advocate, this thread was pretty boring before I got here, just figured I would get everyone fired up and thinking

11-27-2012, 09:25 AM	#6 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	Religion is for the weak minded.

11-27-2012, 02:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	Blastin you are my hero dude

11-27-2012, 03:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	Forward, thank you for your post, almost exactly what I have been saying, there is no one truth all realities exist at the same time, and you brought up a good point, what is there in this world that is not debatable, that is what needs to be sought out, does anyone know what that is? It is emotions and how they feel, love=good, anger/judgement = bad

11-27-2012, 03:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	I wouldn't call them realities, just possibilities. I think the "can't be quantified=does not exist" attitude of most atheists is as irrational as making the assumption that a deity exists.