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Old 03-10-2012, 08:50 PM   #361 (permalink)
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Good post, Satch

When it comes to the bible and interpreting it literally, I often wonder why some people do it with such eagerness. Made up stories with some morale or message have always been a popular way of passing down the wisdom of ages and it puzzles me why people should believe the bible to be any different in that respect.
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And whats your point? "to each his own" is a bad idea? If only people made choices that benefit ourselves, wouldn't that be nice

We are imperfect creatures, that's just the way it is.
Not if if you are imperfectly perfect. That's the only way. I should know. We'll see something maybe, it you guys pay close attention. Something's in the mind.

i am in the mood for some St. Freddy Mercury (the messenger)



Do you mean it ?
Do you mean it ?
Do you mean it ?
Why don't you mean it ?
Why do I follow you and where do you go
Aah aah aah aah aah aah

You've never seen nothing like it no never in your life
Like going up to heaven and then coming back alive
Let me tell you all about it
And the world will so allow it
Ooh give me a little time to choose
Water babies singing in a lily-pool delight
Blue powder monkeys praying in the dead of night

Here comes the Black Queen, poking in the pile
Fie-fo the black Queen, marching single file
Take this, take that, bring them down to size
March to the Black Queen

Put them in the cellar with the naughty boys
A little nig*** sugar then a rub-a-dub-a baby oil
(aah aah) black on (aah aah), black on every finger nail and toe
We've only begun - begun
Make this, make that, keep making all that noise
March to the Black Queen
Now I've got a belly-full
You can be my sugar-baby, you can be my honey-chile, yes

La laa la laa la laa la laa la la la la la laa
La laa la laa la laa la laa la laa la laa la laa la laa
A voice from behind me reminds me
(tra la laa tra la laa aaah)
Spread out your wings you are an angel
Remember to deliver with the speed of light
A little bit of love and joy
Everything you do (will bear a will) bears a will and a why and a wherefore
A little bit of love and joy
In each and every soul lies a man, very soon he'll deceive and discover
But even till the end of his life, he'll bring a little love

Aah ah aah
La la la la laa
Ah ah ah ah aah
Ah la la la laa
I reign with my left hand, I rule with my right
I'm lord of all darkness, I'm Queen of the night
I've got the power - now do the march of the Black Queen
My life is in your hands, I'll fo and I'll fie
I'll be what you make me, I'll do what you like
I'll be a bad boy - I'll be your bad boy - I'll do the march of the Black Queen

Ah aah ah aah
Ah aah ah aah
Walking true to style
She's vulgar 'buse and vile
Fie-fo the Black Queen, tattoos all her pies
She boils and she bakes, and she never dots her "I's"

She's our leader
La la la la laa la la laa
La la la la la laa

Forget your singalongs and your lullabies
Surrender to the city of the fireflies
Dance with the devil in beat with the band
To hell with all of you hand-in-hand
But now it's time to be gone - (la la la laaa) forever - forever
La la la laaa aaah aah aah aaah

Written by Freddie Mercury.
Sung by Freddie Mercury.
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:10 PM   #362 (permalink)
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:57 PM   #363 (permalink)
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I should emphasize again the point that human evolution does not mean human improvement. Imagine the genes that make women lousy at giving natural births. If they spread through a human population due to technological advancements, that means humankind as a whole are changing to become less able to naturally birth children. That is also evolution.
Just look at the bold print tore. Those are the questions. Ignore the rest if you like. That minor rants were for the book purpose. I just don't have word opened, so, i'm just leaving it. No offense, ignore it, please?

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Science teachers in the US are heckled, harassed and have to deal with angry letters from religious parents.
How do you know that tore? It's not a headline issue mate. Did you research?

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Tap water is typically chemically cleaned with the intent of removing parasites and bacteria. Why do you ask if this is natural selection? What is it about your understanding of natural selection that makes you ask this? Perhaps you can reformulate your question?
Certainly tore. What if they just simply used reverse osmosis. It takes everything out, including poisonous gases?

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When it comes to the bible and interpreting it literally, I often wonder why some people do it with such eagerness. Made up stories with some morale or message have always been a popular way of passing down the wisdom of ages and it puzzles me why people should believe the bible to be any different in that respect.
Is that your post, or was that Satchmos?

I do have a couple questions, that, i would like to clarify, if you would mate.

Is it safe to say that as for tore, 'he is who he is', or do we just assume he 'imagines he is who is he'. i need to have this clarified, because, i don't want to talk in metaphors?

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I've never seen God and neither does he, she or its influence seem necessary to create humans or keep the cosmos running so it seems a smaller leap of faith to believe there is no God.
Why did you capitalize the 'g'? Just curious, a simple answer will suffice.

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Just as long as they don't try to jam sticks in the spokes of the wheels of educated society.
No offense, but, could you not write in fragmented sentences, please? And, is jamming in the spokes of the wheels of educated society a literal statement, or, were using it descriptively. I don't have to know, unless you were literal. Then i don't want to see you misunderstand me. I have a license now. I can drive to school.

I don't care tore, it's just a joke. And, just look at the bold print, that's all i want for now. But, you did lead to some good information i needed to see. And, i found some things that they are dumping in my area. Uranium hexafluoride. By the tonnes and tonnes. They are dumping in Ohio and Kentucky, and Tennessee. They have a sh*load they can't put it in all that toothpaste, or, water, or ketchup, or Lipitor, Prozac, and a whole host of new drugs. This is for me, not, for a reaction. I also found out why the honey bees disappeared here for 10-15 years. Gone completely they were. And, then all the sudden they reappeared, and, were morphed. They were totally changed. Honey bee venom.

They have the Fundy bunch pretty well sedated. Sorry. It's not really a descriptive metaphor. The National Guard gases the Fundamentalist rallies. You didn't know that? They have military compounds with stacks and stacks of these huge plastic containers that look like coffins. You should see them. There is a bunch. But, who cares. Natural selection is 'naturally unfolding'. Ignore all that. It's partially true, they don't rally too much anymore, or, blow up abortion clinics. And, the alien abductions, and the anal probing is on a decline in the deep south. It's getting better over here

It's just an observation tore, i am getting ready to pick your brain again. i will be concise, but, i do have one question. And, don't pay attention to the science teachers. They don't teach anything to be heckled for, I have no idea where you heard that is problem. It's not a problem. But, crack cocaine, dished out to inner-city degenerates, is running roughshod. Prisons are overflowing with black people who get huge sentences for this drug. Only 83% of the convictions are black folks, but, they just not such good stock, i suppose.

i have been on a Queen kick today, so, that will probably have to do. I hope you don't mind hearing from a gay genius, who, evidently was struck down by the wrath god for being gay. That's what the pulpit people teach. I personally think he was a messenger. A prophet, possibly, although Brian May wrote the Prophet Song. Freddie Mercury, and Mercury is the messenger. It's for you tore, you are the Great King Rat. I cannot vouch if you are a dirty old man, but, a dirty old man was he



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Pro-biotic with the antibiotic can be a good idea if you get stomach problems. The bacterias in your gut are needed to digest things like milk, but antibiotics can also remove these. By eating yogurt and taking pro-biotic, you can help keep the "good" bacterias in your gut.

As for what you can do to rid yourself of fungal infections, I'm not sure. As far as I know, most are superficial sitting in the skin or nails. Few people have serious fungal infections inside their bodies, unless they have very bad immune systems (old people and AIDS). For the superficial stuff, there are creams you can get. For internal infections, that's a serious problem which needs a doctors attention.

Living healthy always helps of course. Eat well, exercise and live a happy life.
You really don't have to patronize me tore. i am not an idiot, okay. i do have a fairly high intelligence quotient, and, i had a beautiful wife, great looking stock, and i had a great job, with a beautiful house, and all kinds of social contacts. So, i don't exactly qualify as one who 'doesn't get laid'. i got laid all the time when i was young. Anytime i wanted, and, i wanted a lot.

i had to give it all up. Everything i had, or held dear. For a cause that you do not believe in. So, i know what is going on, and, you don't seem to understand your chemicals, and the various bonds of fluorine-carbon, and chlorine as well. Sorry dude, you are a company man. That's what it appears, but, that's okay. It's all about the jack, and the p**sy, and the happiness. Selfishness may be rewarded someday. Who knows?

Just the bold tore. I don't you to misunderstand, so, the bold will be fine.

It is so much degeneration, as it is destruction. Man-made, and, ready for market for a long time. No reply, I did not bold, so, you don't need to.

enjoy. thanks tore. please don't be offended. You aren't any different than just about everyone. Sort of, you are of a higher nature. it's obvious.

It went long, so another song. Good one. And, I know you have trouble with symbolism tore, but pay close attention to the lyrics. It's talking to you.



# The days of old
# And all the stories from our shores
# Have gone away
# I'm gonna return for evermore for
# A brand new craze around that's makin all the waves
# It's teachin you how not to act and how not to behave now
# Tell me why should I
# Turn away my eyes
# From where I reside
# To only find that all my time is wasted
# They're not ever gonna listen
# Not until you react
# So perhaps there is science in violence
# I don't ever want to listen to all that
# Outside at my door
# So am I at the wrong?
# The water hermit 'lone at night and everlasting trial
# Take the bus but still they constantly remind
# Yes it's nice to want some music
# Though I want to hear the songs you like
# Tell me why should I
# Turn away my eyes
# From where I reside
# To only find that all my time is wasted
# They're not ever gonna listen
# Not until you react, so perhaps there is science in violence
# I don't ever want to listen to all that
# Outside at my door,
# So am I at the wrong?
# The world is ours and ours alone
# They're not ever gonna listen
# Not until you react
# So perhaps there is science in violence
# I don't ever want to listen
# And it's a fact that what the body don't hear
# The body will fill for sure
# The world is ours and ours alone
# The world is ours and ours alone
# The world is ours and ours alone
# I don't ever want to listen to all that
# Outside at my door,
# So am I at the wrong?
# The world is ours and ours alone
# They're not ever gonna listen
# Not until you react
# So perhaps there is science in violence
# I don't ever want to listen
# And it's a fact that what the body don't hear
# The body will fill for sure
# The world is ours and ours alone
# The world is ours and ours alone
# The world is ours and ours alone

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No offense, but, I'd be a little carefully posting that picture. It's a personal observation from a pretty reliable source that probably does not care for photography.



He did send you a good song. I never heard it before. He must like you

No more photos though. He/She is a bit too manly, and, camera shy.
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...uh huh.
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There have also been experiments where certain parts of the brain were stimulated, and certain transmitters created a "God" effect and others created a "Devil" effect.
I didn't see this Howie. You should feel them both. I would say that they are extreme, and, one is a major cosmicus orgasmicus, but, the other is misery times infinitive and beyond. I don't know if I would either, especially the latter. The first depends on whether you would have company. It was a solo effort, it appeared. I wasn't sure if the X was with the Y. I want XX

That is a joke. I think we will take what were given. But, Calvinistic predestination, is not what I believe. It's a pre-program, but, destiny is always a matter of choosing, and, there are various scenarios I think. Free-will? It's not illusory. I have had all the free-will you can have. But, it does drain the batteries. I have no willpower.

'If any man wills to do his (man's) will, he will know of teaching, whether it is of g-d, or whether I said of myself'

I think that means for me, I would stick with the I said of myself side. I think the Word came first. I would almost bet on it. i am betting on it


This is a good one. But, Jessi Lacey is a bit morbid.

And, the Son of man likes it too. He/She told me. What is that She part? Howie, it's in the book. A son/Mother.

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...uh huh.
No problem. You'll see me again, and, it looks like you are dressed for the occasion. I told you before. i will play a Brand New song.



Wait
I watched you throw out your bouquet
Now i think about you everyday
I'm alone now in my bed

And there's a lake
And at the bottom you'll find all our friends
They don't swim cause they're all dead
We never are what we intend, or invent
'Cause I make little lies and then I pull them apart
Think something dark's living down in my heart

And if I wanted to die before I got old
I should've started some years ago digging that hole
Well I carry this box to the proper place
And when I lower it down
I let it you fade away
I hope that you would do this for me
I'd serve you drugs on a silver plate
If I thought it would help you get away
I hope that you would do this for me

A deer that a hunter shot in the heart
Some dogs that got hit by cars
All came to spill their guts

And we spoke
About the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost
And which songs we had loved the most
And then we all turned to dirt
And dust
Some men die under the mountain just looking for gold
Some die looking for a hand to hold

Well I carry this box to its proper place
And when I lower it down
I let you fade away
I know that you would do this for me
I'd serve you drugs on a silver plate
If I thought it would help you get away
I hope that you would do this for me

I'm slowly bringing you down from the Heavenly gates
Now I'm drowning in the flood I made
Well explain myself to me on the other side
I'll watch from Heaven when I die

Well I carry this box to the proper place
And when I lower it down
I let you fade away
I know that you would do this for me
I'd serve you drugs on a silver plate
If I thought it would help you get away
I hope that you would do this for me
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Before I reply, thanks for making the effort to write a concise post, Blankety!

I also notice you thought me being patronizing by suggesting you are an evolutionary loser due to your health. I can see why my post would come across like that and I'm sorry if I offended you. I was really writing about averages, that chronically ill people on average have lower biological fitness. Had it not been for modern medical advances, I probably would have died from infections several times over in the past, so I myself likely owe my life to modern medicine, even if I'm not chronically ill.

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How do you know that tore? It's not a headline issue mate. Did you research?
I've read cases of it happening and it's also described in a book I read, although that was a book by Dawkins who could be said to be biased Heckling and so on does happen. How often it happens is the problem. I think in some areas, quite often.

A quick look at some top finds on google gave me the following news cases. The first here is a story about a teacher, Melissa Hussain, who got harassed by her students after a lecture on evolution. The story is covered many places, but I chose to link to the opinions of famous biologist and science blogger PZ Myers.

Link : Melissa Hussain committed Thought Crime!

Another case which got some attention in the Times was the story about biology teacher Pat New who retired early due to the stress of teaching evolution. Her story gives a little more insight into how it can be when you're a science teacher in the US.

Link : Evolutions lonely battle in a Georgia classroom

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But she has decided to retire, a year earlier than planned. "This evolution thing was a lot of stress," she said.

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She isn't sure how many questioned her teaching of evolution — perhaps a dozen parents, teachers and administrators and several students in her seventh-grade life science class. They sent e-mail messages and letters, stopped her in the hall, called board members, demanded meetings, requested copies of the PBS videos that she showed in class.

One parent asked how money could be wasted on a subject like evolution: "As budget cuts continuously chip away at our children's future of a good, quality college-ready education," she wrote, "I would think there would be more educational, more worthwhile and certainly more factual learning that could be taught." She requested that her son be permitted to "bide his time elsewhere" when evolution was taught.

Ms. New explained that evolution is so central to biology, the boy would be biding elsewhere all year long. Practically every chapter in her Prentice Hall textbooks — "Bacteria to Plants," "Cells and Heredity," "Animals" — used evolution to trace the development of life starting with bacteria, green algae and gymnosperms.
I have lots of admiration for people like Pat New who go on teaching after years of resistance. Parents and pupils come and go, but she's on her own fighting the same struggle every semester. I think it's like that for many science teachers.



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Certainly tore. What if they just simply used reverse osmosis. It takes everything out, including poisonous gases?
There's no simple way to reverse osmosis so I'm not sure how to comment on this. Osmotic ("water") pressure only works one way. F.ex if a cell in a moist environment contains a lot of salt compared to the relatively solution free environment outside it, then osmotic pressure will try to push water into the cell. It's not possible to reverse it so that the water wants to go in the opposite direction.


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Is that your post, or was that Satchmos?
The text you quoted there was a general comment in a post to Satchmo.

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Is it safe to say that as for tore, 'he is who he is', or do we just assume he 'imagines he is who is he'. i need to have this clarified, because, i don't want to talk in metaphors?
I think it's generally fair to say he is who he is. Every human is an expression of something real - at the most basic a human body built up from a genetic blueprint. Change the blueprint and you change the person. And while thoughts and experiences are more fluid, I'm sure you would still be Blankety if your convictions changed. How you process the information you sense and f.ex commit that to text is still something which is done by a part of you that will always be uniquely you, regardless of what you believe in or imagine.

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Why did you capitalize the 'g'? Just curious, a simple answer will suffice.
Because "god" with a lower case g to me is synonymous with "deity" while "God" with a capital G is a name (hence the capital) for the christian god. The different use of case allows me to distinguish between the two.

Since you've been posting so many nice songs, I thought I'd try the same Here's an old favourite of mine called "God Song" by the band Matching Mole. I think it's interesting that it's written from the point of view of someone who is a christian.



What on Earth are you doing, God?
Is this some sort of joke you're playing?
Is it cause we didn't pray?
Well I can't see the point of the word without the action
Are you just hot air, breathing over us and over all?
Is it fun watching us all?
Where's your son? We want him again!

And next time you send your boy down here
Give him a wife and a sexy daughter
Someone we can understand
Who's got some ideas we can use, really relate to
We've all read your rules, tried them
Learnt them in school, then tried them
They're impossible rules, and you've made us look fools
Well done, God, but now please...

Don't hunt me down, for Heaven's sake!
You know that I'm only joking, aren't I?
Pardon me I'm very drunk!
But I know what I'm trying to say, and it's nearly night time
And we're still alone, waiting for something unknown, still waiting
So throw down a stone, or something!
Give us a sign, for Christ's sake!
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Certainly tore. What if they just simply used reverse osmosis. It takes everything out, including poisonous gases?
With the greatest respect, may I ask what on earth you are talking about here?
Osmosis is a simple yet essential biophysical process, which is where there is water potential into a cell, the osmotic pressure will increase forcing water into the cell. You can't just "reverse" osmosis, because the concentration gradient exists, and you can't really work against it.
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With the greatest respect, may I ask what on earth you are talking about here?
Osmosis is a simple yet essential biophysical process, which is where there is water potential into a cell, the osmotic pressure will increase forcing water into the cell. You can't just "reverse" osmosis, because the concentration gradient exists, and you can't really work against it.
Yes, it is a bit like saying "why not simply reverse gravity"?
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