Salami

It makes just as much sense. Of course, you can temporarily work against it for either a very brief period, using mechanisms such as active transport, but the phrase still makes no sense at all.

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Anyone who do not read my posts. Skim the bold if you like. So, do not appear to be scattered rants of nonsense. It's up to anyone. i don't care.

Salami. First of all, what happened to your powers? You were mighty. Silly i know. i am aware of that.

What i was referring to was a process of water purification outside the of the structure what you call a body.

i don't about over there, but, over here you can to the grocery, and, they have these machines. You can go to these machines with water jugs, and, you pull a handle, and, water comes down, and fills your jugs.

You can bring your own, and, as many as you like. i use what is close enough to four litres. We call them gallons. Why, I have no idea. We were taught in 1973 that America would go to the metric system by 1985. They don't keep many promises.

I promised tore not to rant, so, I will to you salami, because, i will.

These machines use a process called 'reverse osmosis'. They are not biological machines, so, i was referring to drinking, and, water we use to cook, and bath, and that sort of thing These machines take the salts out, and actually use ultra-violet light, or radiation to further clean out an impurities. it makes the fluoride and chlorine go away, but, i'm sure it's useless. We have pores and showering daily kind of defeats the purpose. Which is why i bath monthly. Don't take that seriously. I have to wonder.

Thanks Salami. I just found why they don't use this process for our municipal water supplies. They don't know where to dump all the salt they leave behind.

They know where to dump all the nuclear waste, but, they don't know what to do with brine, or excess salts left behind from the process! Sure wouldn't want to dump it in any environment, so, I figured out what i need to learn from your reply.

Yes you may, but, let's ask the book.

"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men".

I know you are a Christian, so, do you see how one verse is like a grain of wheat? And, that one verse can be studied, and worked, and can grow into many different meanings and interpretations. So, it not a matter of my Words lacking flavor. It is all the people who like flavorless food, and, that is exactly why my posts get thrown out and trampled by everyone. I add spice, i am not here to be all that serious, but, it's coming salami. It just might be time to clear this thread up. Or, begin a new thread. i haven't decided yet, but, i will be concise, yet, i am sure to ignored as well.

And, by the way. No offense salami, i like you. But, if i wish to account anyone or anything they say to righteousness; i can do it if i choose. i don't care he meant, it meant something for my benefit. Regardless of whether it was an insult, which it probably was. It's my call salami, it's my kingdom within, so, it was not exactly a correct judgment.

Everything happens for a reason salami. So, if i don't make sense to people, it is because it is not suppose to, not because it doesn't make sense.

Now, tore and i were discussing the water supply of the liquid that comes from a faucet. Not, how osmosis works biologically.

I learned something from your reply, so, it was a good thing for me, and, i do account to you for righteousness. The reply was not correct, but, the result of learning something that is true is right.

You did say 'with all due respect'. It's a nice gesture salami, and, i say thanks, but did you really mean it is your call.

So, here is food for thought, and, i will bold my major points, and, you can skip the rest, if you like. It's for me and a purpose, it doesn't need to be read. i am no longer cutting and pasting. i am not going to sound scattered. it will come to the time, that i will be direct and concise.

Someday salami, you will understand that we all here on this site for a reason.

That's it for now. i still love you salami, and, even better less mighty. i still don't eat pork, however.

We need pressure for osmosis, so, Queen seems to always have a good song for things. Freddie Mercury was a queen, and mercury is the messenger.
David Bowie? He? He/she came along for this one.

I will bold, so, take care mate

'Truth is one single thing and it is also many things for our sakes who learn this one thing in love through many things'.

The lyrics are on the screen, but, i am going to post them. He's making a point of how it may just may apply to reverse osmosis as it applies to society. See if you catch it salami. You'll either see it or not.



Mm ba ba de
Um bum ba de
Um bu bu bum da de
Pressure pushing down on me
Pressing down on you no man ask for
Under pressure that brings a building down
Splits a family in two
Puts people on streets
Um ba ba be
Um ba ba be
De day da
Ee day da - that's okay
It's the terror of knowing
What the world is about
Watching some good friends
Screaming 'Let me out'
Pray tomorrow gets me higher
Pressure on people people on streets
Day day de mm hm
Da da da ba ba
Okay
Chippin' around - kick my brains around the floor
These are the days it never rains but it pours
Ee do ba be
Ee da ba ba ba
Um bo bo
Be lap
People on streets - ee da de da de
People on streets - ee da de da de da de da
It's the terror of knowing
What this world is about
Watching some good friends
Screaming 'Let me out'
Pray tomorrow - gets me higher higher high
Pressure on people people on streets
Turned away from it all like a blind man
Sat on a fence but it don't work
Keep coming up with love but it's so slashed and torn
Why - why - why?
Love love love love love
Insanity laughs under pressure we're breaking
Can't we give ourselves one more chance
Why can't we give love that one more chance
Why can't we give love give love give love give love
give love give love give love give love give love
'Cause love's such an old fashioned word
And love dares you to care for
The people on the (People on streets) edge of the night
And loves (People on streets) dares you to change our way of
Caring about ourselves
This is our last dance
This is our last dance
This is ourselves
Under pressure
Under pressure
Pressure

This is our last dance.

Salami

Good lord, I'm guessing you're addressing me here?
I've had a look into the mechanics of "reverse osmosis", which seems to be an industrial process for water purification, the mechanics of which are nothing to do with the use of ultra-violet light, the purpose of that is not to "remove salts" but to damage the DNA of any bacteria living in the water, which kills them and makes the water drinkable. As for removing salts, "reverse osmosis" is a synthetic process, which from what I can gather works by "applying pressure to the side of the partially permeable membrane with the greater concentration of large ions". This is interesting, so if you're allowed to ramble then I'M DAMN WELL GOING TO TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THE BIOLOGY BEHIND THIS - it's useful for both your and my wider education.
Basically, the following passage will be the explanation provided (free of charge) by the Mighty Salami about how this mechanism works, taken from a highly specialised yet inconceivably tedious engineering equipment guide I found in my father's office (who happens to be a professor in Applied Physics, I regret that I in no way resemble him).

OK, the key here is the "partially permeable membrane". I personally (and I think tore will agree) dislike the term "partially permeable", because it gives absolutely sod all elaboration on what it's actual function is. I much prefer the term "selectively permeable", because it tells us a lot more - only certain molecules can pass through. And in this case, large molecules cannot. Imagine the barrier to be like a net almost, and balls of various sizes are being squeezed up against it. The smaller balls represent water molecules, Steve, because H2O consists only of three ions. However, the larger ions are the impurities in the water, for example, sodium chloride and magnesium chloride which are salts found commonly in water. These can be imagined as larger balls, which cannot pass through the net.

Now, you're probably asking - "how can you get molecules of varying sizes to be separated so that certain ones are segregated?" And the answer to that is to apply more pressure on the side the impure solution is on so that only the pure water passes through. Ingenious!
I don't know what you think but stuff like this really interests me!


I'm addressing this because you seemed to think that "reverse osmosis" was applicable in explaining a biological mechanism: in reality it isn't because it's only found in highly specialised industrial water purification processes.

I'm going into all this detail because you clearly thought that this process can be found in nature, and be used to explain certain natural features of organisms - and it can't.

What is used in organisms for this purpose takes the form of a whole variety of solutions including active transport, ion pathways... the mechanisms are still being discovered.

I hope you found reading this interesting, because I had enormous fun investigating!


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I can't post the lyrics, because I would be BANNED FOREVER.

SATCHMO

I think I need to emphasise that I'm speaking of evolution in two very different senses of the word, both biological evolution and the evolution of human kind as a culture. The former admittedly takes place over a tremendously large time span, but the latter seems to be transpiring very quickly at an ever increasing rate.

One of the often overlooked ways in which technology as adaptation is particularly relevant is because it brings about the concept of human intention. A giraffe cannot say "I am going to find a way to extend my neck to reach the top leaves of these trees" and subsequently create a piece of technology enabling it to do so. If it were to happen it would transpire over the course of hundreds to millions of years (i have no idea, really), but we as a species have the capacity to think in such an intentive way and follow through with our own innovation to make it a reality within the course of a generation. When you look at it from this sense we are circumventing biological evolution, perhaps not removing the influence of biological evolution, but certainly lessening it's influence, as I said in my previous post.

Maybe it's nothing that can be observed from a purely biological perspective, but we are certainly, I think, influencing our evolution through our own collective intention. At the dawn of our species, biological evolution determined our direction as a species almost exclusively, because our technologies were few and quite unrefined, but at this point, and maybe only this point in the grand scheme of the homo genus, we seem to be piloting our own course. This is a very interesting point in human history.

MoonlitSunshine

There's a marked difference between evolution and Evolution, I think that's where most of the uncertainty arises.

I agree with you, Satch, in that we can influence Evolution. We have done so using domestic animals, and continue to due so today on a regular basis, using selective breeding. The problem is that it is rather more difficult to control the breeding habits of the entire population of the earth - while it would be nice to say that the intelligent and socially adept of us succeed in life, succeeding in life isn't necessarily proportional to breeding success. Indeed, I know there are a lot of people who are worried about the fact that the "bottom feeding, good for nothing 12-child welfare families are the ones that are breeding like rabbits, and that the intelligent, university educated professionals are doing so at a much slower rate. As you say, our actions are influencing the kind of person who succeeds, the kind of person who survives, the kind of person who lives long enough to procreate, but I think it is wrong to say that we are "influencing our evolution". Rather, we are influencing the environment and the requisites for the continuation of specific genes, which is of course then changing the direction of our evolution. You could even say that to a certain extent we are killing "evolution", or at the very least preventing our species from developing in a positive manner, given the fact that it is no longer the smartest, strongest and most able that survive to procreate. By advancing medicine, by showing compassion, and allowing "defective" genes to continue, we are in essence dirtying out own gene pool.

Where am I going with this? I don't know, I have a habit of getting distracted :P

Evolution and evolution. "Evolution", the capitalised term, is the gradual process which maps the overall process of Natural Selection (or, indeed, unnatural, manmade selection), and defines how a species grows and changes over time to adapt to its environment and the constraints therein. This is different to evolution, which is a word in the English language meaning how something can evolve in any sense, like the evolution of the gaming console, or the evolution of an idea. They have similarities, but there are aspects of evolution that aren't contained within Evolution, if that makes sense.

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Guybrush

Satch, I get what you're saying (or writing) and I agree with you My last post before yours should confirm it, although perhaps I got a bit wrapped up in biological terminology to get the point across clearly.

Using terminology, you can say that technology lessens or even completely removes selection pressure. In the future, there's less need for genes coding for strong and durable hearts because we can get artificial hearts when the biological ones fail. Or a bit more out there; we don't have to evolve wings to fly because we can build planes.

One could say that we influence evolution, but it may be more correct to say we are influencing our environment. It's the environment which determines which way we'll evolve and technology is part of the our environment.

Some past technological achievements will have had tremendous effect on our evolution, like the invention of the spear and the collection/nurturing/creation of fire. I've sometimes wondered if the human fascination and fondness for fire could have something to do with our evolutionary history. After all, most animals don't like it.

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Moonlit, just read your post now! Good call on the environment thingy I don't think there's need to despair over the course of human evolution just yet. At the moment, people in general only seem to get smarter. Perhaps when that curve starts to flatten or even slope downwards, we can worry about that sort of stuff.

In general, I'm sceptical towards praising certain traits over others, like intelligence. Enough intelligence to not be an idiot is good of course, but having more than average intelligence isn't necessarily better than for example having good social skills. It depends on the person and what he or she does with it. If you start thinking eugenics, you could rank the quality of a person based on what genes he or she has and then we have low quality people and good quality people of better breeding. To some degree, people do this already, but I generally don't think it's a good idea and so perhaps thoughts like these don't need encouragement.

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Guybrush

A quick question to other participants in this thread; am I the only one struggling with extracting the meaning from Blankety's posts?

Sorry for the double post, but my previous one nearly reached 20 000 characters already!

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RVCA

No. I gave up on him a long time ago, before this thread ever popped into existence.

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You didn't give up on me son. Read the thread title. It's not a question. And, there was one question for everyone save tore.

Are you who/what you are?

Just answer to yourself, and, maybe you will someday realize who you gave up on. Don't give up. Look at your picture. And, turn that frown upside down





Calling places, collecting careless
Sentences I write them down
So I ignore them, and you should too, you should ignore every word
Is calling what you can surrender
The only way to really learn
That the alphabet made up the words
You could never resist to quote

If all this wisdom is true
Then I doubt it could really have come from you

Then I am what I am not, I am what I am not
So there must be something more then
If I am just a thought I’m not

Faster than the destination
Of knowing where you really are
Is where you’ve always been
Or is it where you began
And happiness, did it happen
Sooner than the doubt it cost you
You learn from the mistakes that I taught you

If all this wisdom is true
Then I doubt it could really have come from you

Then I am what I am not, I am what I am not
So there must be something more then
I am what I am not,
If there’s nothing more then
I am what I am not, I am what I am not
There must be something more then
If I am what I am not

Then I am what I am not, I am what I am not
There must be something more then
I am what I am not,
I know there’s nothing more then
I am what I am not, I am what I am not
I know there’s nothing more then
If I am what I am not

Someday RV, you will understand that this is not about me. Just reflect, and, see who you gave up on. Don't give up trying. Something did not give up on you, or you wouldn't be here. Just look at your picture RV, and, ask yourself why you are stretching your neck up, and, why your frown is so prominent.

It's not an insult. Just an observation. You can certainly answer that question. And, know that you don't need to reply. I understand why. These are not my words, they are yours. If you do not understand, then get to know yourself better than this troll knows you.

Are you who/what you are? That's why people do not understand me. I'm not. Read your post again, and what you were thinking. I'm not your enemy dude.

Janszoon

You mean you actually read them?

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