God is in your mind?

SATCHMO · 12-16-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

Hey Duce, I hate to break it to you, but you're not a deist. First, you claim that you don't subscribe to "conventional" religions, but go on to explain your belief in sin, Jesus, and elements of the Christian afterlife. Second, and more importantly, it's a fundamental tenet of deism (practically the definition of deism) that everything was created by an all-powerful creator who then stepped back to watch his creation run. In that sense, deists believe in free will, so your belief in predestination is directly in conflict with this.

You mean like this:

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

believing instead in an impartial chaotic entity, who has already set the universe in motion and has already fixed a linear space-time continuum for all of us

To believe in sin, Jesus, and elements of the Christian afterlife does not equate to being a conventional christian. Christianity proper has made it clear what qualifies as a conventional Christian:

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Originally Posted by The Apostle's Creed

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;

He descended into hell.

The third day He arose again from the dead;

He ascended into heaven,
and sits on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Ghost;
the holy catholic church; (for Catholics)
the communion of saints; (for Catholics)
the forgiveness of sins;
the resurrection of the body;
and the life everlasting.

Christian dogma is pretty clear that the belief in "all of the above" is what constitutes Christianity. Any deviation is, for the most part, considered heretical.

**Goofle** · 12-16-2011, 01:10 PM

I am a devout atheist.

RVCA · 12-16-2011, 01:13 PM

What Duce detailed is not quite the same as deism. A deity who has predetermined all of time already is not the being of deism, who merely gave birth to everything and stepped back to let it run of its own accord.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding deism, or maybe there are different "versions" of it. But a deist regards the tenets of all organized religions as rubbish. Jesus, the afterlife... these are things that a deist rejects. In fact, Duce described himself as a "gnostic Christian" which seems incompatible with deism.

At least, this is according to Wikipedia and deism.com, which may not be reliable sources of authority on deism.

SATCHMO · 12-16-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

What Deuce detailed is not quite the same as deism. A deity who has predetermined all of time already is not the being of deism, who merely gave birth to everything and stepped back to let it run of its own accord.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding deism, or maybe there are different "versions" of it. But a deist regards the tenets of all organized religions as rubbish. Jesus, the afterlife... these are things that a deist rejects.

At least, this is according to Wikipedia and deism.com, which may not be reliable sources of authority on deism.

I'm just saying that most religions or philosophies have an all-or-nothing approach; either you subscribe to every facet of our belief or you're not one of us. Many people, including myself, don't fit neatly into the box of established philosophies, making it often difficult to define what one believes, but it seems that Il Deuce is "borrowing" the core essence of deism, which is the belief that a deity created everything and stepped back to let it run.

~~Odyshape~~ · 12-16-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

What Duce detailed is not quite the same as deism. A deity who has predetermined all of time already is not the being of deism, who merely gave birth to everything and stepped back to let it run of its own accord.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding deism, or maybe there are different "versions" of it. But a deist regards the tenets of all organized religions as rubbish. Jesus, the afterlife... these are things that a deist rejects. In fact, Duce described himself as a "gnostic Christian" which seems incompatible with deism.

At least, this is according to Wikipedia and deism.com, which may not be reliable sources of authority on deism.

Yeah that definitely is deism. There can't be any kind of interference with the natural world except for the original action of creating it.

Pretty interesting how it bridged a gap for the enlightenment period for scientists to have free roam for exploring scientific without any thing holding them back because they didn't have to subscribe to existing supernatural explanations all while still keeping it within the scope of theism. Which was probably very important to ensure that they weren't 100% alienating and rejected by their peers.

RVCA · 12-16-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TomClancy11

I am a devout atheist.

Would you care to elaborate on the topic then?

Salami · 12-16-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TomClancy11

I am a devout atheist.

Welcome to the wold of faith, my friend.

**Goofle** · 12-16-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

Would you care to elaborate on the topic then?

Not really. I have a very basic knowledge of various religions because I have never made and attempt whatsoever to educate myself on the topic beside my B at Secondary School in 'Religious Education'.

I would add nothing to the discussion other than telling people that I am an atheist... **remembers I have already done that**

So... nothing extra to add at all

SIRIUSB · 12-16-2011, 01:57 PM

I firmly believe in Jung's theory of the Archetype.
All gods, devils, demons, djinn, angels, etc. are ancient archetypal structures embedded within the psyche/unconsciousness, they are brought to the surface/consciousness through symbology.

RVCA · 12-16-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SIRIUSB

I firmly believe in Jung's theory of the Archetype.
All gods, devils, demons, djinn, angels, etc. are ancient archetypal structures embedded within the psyche/unconsciousness, they are brought to the surface/consciousness through symbology.

Sorry, what? Can you explain this to me like I'm five?

12-16-2011, 01:13 PM	#13 (permalink)
RVCA （￣ー￣） Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,270	What Duce detailed is not quite the same as deism. A deity who has predetermined all of time already is not the being of deism, who merely gave birth to everything and stepped back to let it run of its own accord. Maybe I'm misunderstanding deism, or maybe there are different "versions" of it. But a deist regards the tenets of all organized religions as rubbish. Jesus, the afterlife... these are things that a deist rejects. In fact, Duce described himself as a "gnostic Christian" which seems incompatible with deism. At least, this is according to Wikipedia and deism.com, which may not be reliable sources of authority on deism.

12-16-2011, 01:57 PM	#19 (permalink)
SIRIUSB Luciferian Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 278	I firmly believe in Jung's theory of the Archetype. All gods, devils, demons, djinn, angels, etc. are ancient archetypal structures embedded within the psyche/unconsciousness, they are brought to the surface/consciousness through symbology.