Originally Posted by Conan

Chewing (sublingually absorbing the salvia) is a modern twist on the centuries old Mazatec method of using salvia (which was actually swallowing the leaves). Chewing is best done by rolling leaves (fresh works the best) into a "quid" or ball and keeping them under the tongue for 15 to 20 minutes. This will produce a longer lasting, more meditative state that's supposedly more suited for exploration – although it will never be as powerful as smoking. I don't smoke anyway, but I also think smoking salvia might actually be squandering its usefulness in self-exploration by making it too powerful. I basically want it as a supplement in this instance.

I'm actually going to chew on that black powdery stuff (an extract). Never done it before, don't know how effective it will be. I'm a little nervous because extract is 10x more powerful than leaves (which you can buy online now), hence the name 10x. However, sublingual absorption is far less effective anyway so 1 gram of chewed extract might equal about a tenth of the gram that people usually smoke.

Originally Posted by Mrd00d

We were smoking the 50x

Originally Posted by blastingas10

I once smoked 120x. We asked for the strongest stuff they had and thats what they gave us. After smoking it, I was first sucked into the garage door, as if the door was some kind of black hole. Then I managed to strip myself off of it and grab onto the side of a truck. I couldn't even stand without the assistance from the truck. I had this very strange feeling in my face, as if my face was melting. I could only mumble incoherent words. It was an extremely strange experience.

I've smoked the weaker salvia since then and it was nothing compared to the 120x. That stuff was definitely too powerful to take anything meaningful from it.

Originally Posted by tore

Perhaps I'm a weird guy, but I don't see why anyone would want to experience something like that

Originally Posted by blastingas10

A quick question for those who are skeptical towards the supernatural, OBE's, and stuff of that nature: Do you believe in ghosts?

Originally Posted by tore

Perhaps I'm a weird guy, but I don't see why anyone would want to experience something like that

Originally Posted by tore

No, not at all. I can remember strongly wanting to believe in ghosts sometime in my teens, so I am well aware of man's capacity for kidding oneself.

Originally Posted by tore

I think inducing such experiences with drugs should only support the argument that there is no soul, though. I mean clearly such experiences would only show the extent of how our perception is dependent on our bodies, our neurochemistry. If the (travelling) soul/self/consciousness was independent from the body, then OBEs shouldn't need such chemical trickery.

Originally Posted by blastingas10

I know for a fact that ghosts are real. I was always a doubter until I experienced it myself.

But People will always have an explanation for it.



Maybe the soul doesn't become fully independent until death. Science doesn't fully understand how our minds work and such a thing cannot be completely ruled out as impossible, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by blastingas10

Wow. Very interesting story.

I once had a dream, if that's what it was. I don't know what to call it, a "waking dream" perhaps. But in this experience, I found myself awake and looking around my room. It was dark when I went to bed and When I awoke (in this OBE as it seemed) I did not turn my light on, yet it was bright in my room. I just remember walking and looking around for a little bit. The next thing I remember is trying to move my hands and open my eyes, but I couldn't. I remember thinking to myself: "am I blind? Am I dead?" it was quite scary. Finally, somehow, I was able to open my eyes and wake my body. It was so strange.

O ya, during this experience i could not see my arms or legs or any other part of my body. Almost as if my body wasn't there.

What do you make out of this? I'd like to get someones opinion on it. I'm not very knowledgable about this kind of thing. Although I'm very interested in this subject.