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Old 11-07-2011, 04:06 AM   #151 (permalink)
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I'll have my child circumcised. No real reason other than I am circumcised and enjoy not having the extra skin hanging off my cock.
What cock? Doctor must've missed.
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Old 11-07-2011, 09:52 AM   #152 (permalink)
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I'll have my child circumcised. No real reason other than I am circumcised and enjoy not having the extra skin hanging off my cock.
How do you know that you enjoy it if you're never had extra skin hanging off your cock? I myself am quite fond of the extra skin hanging off my cock. It covers up the herpes.
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Old 11-08-2011, 12:44 AM   #153 (permalink)
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I agree with you on all these points, Tore.

Why non-therapeutic genital cutting of male children is accepted in the U.S.: I think because people often follow entrenched customs without thinking to question them. They assume there is justification. They assume that medical benefits outweigh the risks and harms caused when people cut off healthy, functional parts of a child's penis.

Also, most people don't seem to know anything about the foreskin and its functions, or think to ask why human males like other mammals have foreskins. I suspect it is probably easier for people to destroy a child's body part when they don't know how the foreskin functions or know of its benefits. They aren't used to the appearance of a boy or man's intact penis and think it is weird or gross.

I am very troubled that people so easily cut off a healthy part of children's genitalia. Circumcision is an obvious human rights violation, in my opinion. When people do this to a girl's foreskin (the clitoral hood), it is called genital mutilation, but when you call male circumcision what it is...genital mutilation...supporters can't handle the reality of what they are doing to children. They come up with all sorts of rationales to avoid the obvious and to dismiss the damage of what they are doing to kids.

As someone whose writing I like very much once said:

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"You were my parents and you should have been protecting me.
Instead you had them slice and violate my body.
You shouldn’t torture little children’s sexuality.
You had no right to harm the most private part of me.

"You claim you had some sort of justification
for perpetrating genital mutilation.
You claim that circumcision improves hygiene,
but you don’t cut off children’s body parts to keep them clean!

"You claim you wanted to protect me from HIV,
but how to do that best is teach the rules of ABC:
abstinence, be faithful, and ensure consistent condom use.
You don’t stop STIs by perpetrating child abuse!

"You claim you did it for your culture or religion.
What kind of culture turns abuse into tradition?
You say your god tells you to cut your helpless offspring.
You shouldn’t make a child’s torture be an offering.

"Mutilating genitals of little girls is wrong, you cry,
but when it is a little boy, you turn your blind eye.
You had no right to make your violent incision.
What happens to my body should be my decision!

"You pinned a little child down. You cut his penis by force.
Yet you acknowledge no wrongdoing. You feel no remorse.
You violated my genital integrity.
You had no right to harm the most private part of me.

"Fondle little children and you’ll spend your life in jail.
Why can you cut their foreskin off if they are male?!
There is no rationale, no justification.
You perpetrated genital mutilation."

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Wow this thread stirred a few emotions in me. I am STRONGLY against female circumcision. It is absolutely devastating to see young GIRLS having their labia's cut off and sewn up so MEN cannot have sex with them till they are wed. Of course they do this to girls around the age of menstruation which prevents proper periods. Not only is it incredible painful for the child is against their basic human rights to have their own sexual organs intact. It's only because of men having no 'will' to stop themselves from raping young girls. How is that fair?!

This is from an article I read. Please go watch the video its really eye opening.

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I didn't know exactly what it would entail but I knew something was going to be cut. I was made to believe it was genuinely part of our religion."

"I don't remember screaming, I remember the ridiculous amount of pain, I remember the blood everywhere, one of the maids, I actually saw her pick up the bit of flesh that they cut away 'cause she was mopping up the blood. There was blood everywhere."

Cleanliness, neatness of appearance and the increased sexual pleasure for the man are all motivations for the practice. But the desire to conform to tradition is the most powerful motive. The rite of passage, condemned by many Islamic scholars, predates both the Koran and the Bible and possibly even Judaism, appearing in the 2nd century BC.

And for those who will be "cut" this summer, the effects will be lifelong. Miriam was six when she had her cutting party at her home in Somalia, two years before war arrived to force her family out.

When she was 12, doctors were horrified to find that what they thought was a cyst in her body was actually several years of period blood that had been blocked from leaving her body. Unable to have children, she now lives and works in England and worries about other girls. "I'd seen so many people circumcised, all my neighbours, so I knew one day it was going to happen to me. We knew what was happening," Miriam said.

British girls undergo horror of genital mutilation despite tough laws | Society | The Observer
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:39 AM   #154 (permalink)
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I am anti-lint, hence my voting for circumcision.
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Old 01-28-2012, 10:59 PM   #155 (permalink)
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Old 01-29-2012, 03:05 AM   #156 (permalink)
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:08 AM   #157 (permalink)
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This poll is surprising and refreshing given the stigma around uncut penis. At least where I live I know there's a lot of misconceptions and ignorance about circumcision. And for the record... cut or uncut I advice against assuming that you don't need to clean your private parts.
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Old 02-06-2012, 03:17 PM   #158 (permalink)
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I (and many others) believe circumcision to mostly be a way to reduce masturbation which is something people were very afraid of in the olden days.
Well that doesn't work. Jerked myself all day before I was cut and jerk myself all day still afterwards.

If anything it reduces sensitivity so you can jerk for longer.

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Looks like you should have a look through this thread. Some of the posts bring up some interesting information.
I saw this thread but just thought I'd answer KMS there cos it was a stray comment.


This is my views on circumcision.

I was upset for a while that my dick was cut, because I was 12 and it seemed an unneccessarily sadistic amount of pain when the anasthetic wore off. I thought as well that girls wouldn't like me cos of it, when I was 12, but that's just cos 12 year olds are stupid little scared weiner idiots who make fun of anything different. Cos forget girls I've heard some women actually prefer it.

When you get over that "emotional trauma" the experience of the pain alone makes you more mature. I can't say for sure it's cleaner because I don't look that intently at my dick. One thing I remember is I used to get this buildup stuff under the foreskin, don't get that anymore. Also, when it had skin, it was damper under the skin. I heard it reduces the risk of STDS, makes sense to me but just don't **** whores anyway.

Obviously if you're clean it doesn't matter cut or uncut. Whatever you do, do it for your own best interest. I don't think there's anything wrong with circumcision, I wouldn't call it mutilation more like pruning. My philosophy since my appendix burst is if you don't need it, cut it off, to be honest.

Of course a parent has the responsibility to decide, I owe my parents my life pretty much, they weren't asking to cut the whole thing off or I would have run away. They waited until an age where they could explain it to me and I'd understand what was happening, it made sense to me when they explained it and I trust them. It's a rite of passage pretty much. Either that or they're ****ing incompetent.

I'm not saying it's neccessarily better, just saying nothing wrong with it and it has it's advantages, I'll probably get my future kids cut if they're boys, cos I think that'll be in their best interest.

Female circumcision on the other hand, ****ed up, because they cut out the clitoris. I understand that's a tradition too, and apparently it makes child birth less painful.

Don't make it less painful! Pain is real!

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Cleanliness, neatness of appearance and the increased sexual pleasure for the man are all motivations for the practice. But the desire to conform to tradition is the most powerful motive. The rite of passage, condemned by many Islamic scholars, predates both the Koran and the Bible and possibly even Judaism, appearing in the 2nd century BC.
True but where I come from, the tradition in turn exists because of those motivations.
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Circumcision? Well, I'll never do that again! *drumroll*
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:31 AM   #160 (permalink)
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Well that doesn't work. Jerked myself all day before I was cut and jerk myself all day still afterwards.

If anything it reduces sensitivity so you can jerk for longer.
Your anecdotal jerking evidence does not necessarily make up a very good argument.

First, one has to realize that even though outdated ideas on the prevention of masturbation may be the main reason a country like the US widely has embraced genital cutting of males today, society would try to justify its continued practice in a variety of ways. The old reason has fallen out of favour. Nevertheless, if you look at the modern history of circumcision, it becomes appearant .. At least it seems that way from what I've been reading.

Masturbation was thought to be sinful and shrouded in medical myths that doing so could cause all sorts of problems, like insanity and hysteria. It is perfectly possible for most doctors to cut the penis in such a way that masturbation becomes less pleasant or perhaps even painful.

Here's the abstract (summary) of a review paper I found :

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There is increasing scholarly interest in the history of routine male circumcision in Anglophone countries, but much disagreement as to whether prevention of masturbation was an important part of this development. A review of the historiography of both the masturbation phobia and the rise of routine circumcision shows that it has been widely accepted since the 1950s that discouraging masturbation was a major reason why doctors, educationists and childcare experts sought to introduce circumcision of both boys and girls in the later nineteenth century, a campaign which was successful in the former case, unsuccessful in the latter—an outcome which still colours popular concepts about what constitutes genital mutilation. Mainstream pediatric and child care manuals continued to assert the value of circumcision as a disincentive to masturbation right up until the 1950s. The importance of the original link between masturbation and circumcision was rediscovered at the same time, when belief in the harmful effects of the former was declining, and as medical historians began to investigate the origin, course and effects of the onanism scare during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.
>> Source : The Masturbation Taboo and the Rise of Routine Male Circumcision: A Review of the Historiography

Many other papers and books will tell you the same story.

From "A Surgical Temptation - The demonization of the foreskin & the rise of circumcision in Britain" (2005), by Robert J. L. Darby.

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More convincing on this point is Ornella Moscucci, who shows that circumcision was increasingly recommended as a cure for male masturbation from the 1850s onward. She points out that part of this process was the demonization of the foreskin as a source of nervous and physical disease and agrees with Hyam that circumcision was central to the late Victorian redefinition of manliness in terms of self-restraint and cleanliness. "Widely blieved to dampen sexual desire, circumcision was seen positively as a means of both promoting chastity and physical health."
>> Source : A Surgical Temptation

Regardless of how they justified it, your parents may have circumcised you because doing so is part of a tradition they did not question.

I haven't read any proof - and I guess it would be hard to find anyways - but I believe masturbation and chastity is the reason the practice started in the first place - as a way to reduce masturbation and promiscuity, something religions typically don't seem very fond of. It's since been wrapped up in various religious and other justifications.
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