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Since when do religious texts count as evidence? The Gospel accounts are no more historical than any other myth in the history of the world. |
I believe Jesus existed. I don't believe all the claptrap about his virgin birth and him subsequently being "god's only begotten son", or his death being an atonement for the "sins" of the world, however I do believe that he performed spontaneous healings, reappeared-- not resurrected-- after death and that he was one of the few well known ascended masters of the world, who managed to escape the dream of the ego and the birth/death cycle.
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what is the difference between atheists and critics
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So to me he exists as an historical character, Much like Julius Ceasar or Napoleon. I have no reason to 'believe' in him :) |
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I do believe, however, that someone named Jesus did come in the flesh, was the Divine Word made flesh, and was born of a virgin named Mary. And, is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and was crucified, and not only will, but has risen again the third day. But, the whole story is a literal myth. And, you are right, Jesus was cosmically progressive, and, I am really down with that as well. Jesus isn't so down with Christianity, however. Now, without going all Josephus, can you prove that he actually was a historical walking, talking human being? Everyone who has studied knows that the Testimonium Flavianum is almost certainly a later interpolation. Here's something interesting I will provide for free:) MT 1:12 And after the Babylonian removal, Jeconiah begat Shealtiel, and Shealtiel begat Zerubbabel, MT 1:13 and Zerubbabel begat Abiud, and Abiud begat Eliakim, and Eliakim begat Azor, MT 1:14 and Azor begat Sadok, and Sadok begat Achim, and Achim begat Eliud, MT 1:15 and Eliud begat Eleazar, and Eleazar begat Matthan, and Matthan begat Jacob, MT 1:16 and Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was begotten Jesus, who is named Christ. MT 1:17 All the generations, therefore, from Abraham unto David `are' fourteen generations, and from David unto the Babylonian removal fourteen generations, and from the Babylonian removal unto the Christ, fourteen generations. Count the bold blacks. Unless Jeconiah was begotten twice by Josiah, then we have a situation. Why does it have to be so freaking complicated?:) Just come down through those clouds and clear it all up, already! What's that Jesus? Too many airplanes? Ah crap! Rapture's off folks. Sorry. I'm sure there is a bible scholar in the house here who can explain this Ramona. It would take me a book or two just for this one chapter. Might have something to do with Uriah, so, I think some Uriah's Heep is in order. Take me across the water ‘Cause I need some place to hide I done the rancher’s daughter And I sure did hurt his pride Well, there's a Hundred miles of desert Lies between his hide and mine I don't need no food And no water, Lord ‘Cos I'm running out of time Fightin', killin', wine and women Gonna put me to my grave Runnin', hidin', losin', cryin' Nothing left to save but my life Stood on a ridge And shunned religion Thinking the world was mine I made my break and a big mistake Stealin', when I Should've been buyin' All that fightin', killin' Wine and those women Gonna put me to an early grave Runnin', hidin', losin', cryin' Nothing left to save but my life, life... So I stood on a ridge And shunned religion Thinking the world was mine I made my break and a big mistake Stealin', when I Should've been buyin' I was stealin’ When I should’ve been buyin’ I was stealin’ When I should’ve been buyin’ Stealin’, when I Should’ve been buyin’ .. I was stealin’ ... Who wrote this 'psalm' anyway? peace |
i'd like to interject with the scene from the comic "The Dark Knight Strikes Back"
after seeing Green Lantern's light enveloping the world the Pope said "it be a Rapture" off-page caption - "No" Ayatollah said "JIHAD" off-page caption - "FUCK OFF" |
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