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Guybrush 08-06-2011 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by noise (Post 1092875)
I never thought about it much. I suppose some specifics about the character Jesus may have been modeled after the life of a particularly charismatic dude.

But the overall character is just your classic hero going through the typical heroic journey. In Jesus' case, the journey culminates in the whole death and rebirth ordeal (symbolic of course, but for some reason now interpreted as literal), but really, his story isn't so different from any other hero's saga. Just an everyday guy who got tossed into a world of extra-ordinary happenings who not only survived but prevailed, and came home just in time to save the day.

Think Luke Skywaker, Frodo Baggins, or even Harry Potter :)
I agree very much with this :)

When it comes to the bible as "evidence", I figure it's as good as using the Grimm brothers writings as proof there really was a Hansel and Gretel and a cannibal witch with a gingerbread cottage.

The Monkey 08-06-2011 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 1067041)
He existed. He was just a liar. Mithras before him and a whole LINEAGE of other "Prophets" are known to have sprung up over time all claiming to be gods son in much the same manner as Jesus. Jesus was just the latest and most successful in the way in which he convinced people of his claimed divinity.
Jesus' divinity wasn't established until the Council of Chalcedon in 491, before that he was most often considered to be just a prophet alongside Moses, Jacob etc. So I doubt Jesus ever claimed to be the Son of God during his lifetime.

GuitarBizarre 08-06-2011 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by The Monkey (Post 1092904)
Jesus' divinity wasn't established until the Council of Chalcedon in 491, before that he was most often considered to be just a prophet alongside Moses, Jacob etc. So I doubt Jesus ever claimed to be the Son of God during his lifetime.
That only shifts the blame, it makes Jesus no more or less likely to have been the son of god, and the parallel between the earlier stories as we know them, and the image of Jesus we have today, remains the same - Oddly, surprisingly similar.

Janszoon 08-06-2011 11:01 AM
If there really was a magical Jesus did he have special god-DNA or did all his DNA come from Mary? That's what I would like to know.

Also was Jesus physically capable of impregnating a woman? If he did, would his children be 1/4 god?

The Batlord 08-06-2011 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 1092961)
That only shifts the blame, it makes Jesus no more or less likely to have been the son of god, and the parallel between the earlier stories as we know them, and the image of Jesus we have today, remains the same - Oddly, surprisingly similar.
I'm sort of having trouble understanding your point, as your sentence seems a little obtuse to me, and I don't really feel like necro diving through all of the pages and pages of this thread to find your opinions on the matter. So, in other words, huh?

Neapolitan 08-06-2011 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1092966)
If there really was a magical Jesus did he have special god-DNA or did all his DNA come from Mary? That's what I would like to know.
Jesus would not have God's DNA. God doesn't have DNA, God is a supernatural being not made of parts like DNA etc.

SIRIUSB 08-08-2011 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1093110)
Jesus would not have God's DNA. God doesn't have DNA, God is a supernatural being not made of parts like DNA etc.
And how do you know this?

The Batlord 08-08-2011 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1093110)
Jesus would not have God's DNA. God doesn't have DNA, God is a supernatural being not made of parts like DNA etc.
I can't prove he doesn't exist but you can prove he doesn't have DNA?

The Monkey 08-08-2011 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1093584)
I can't prove he doesn't exist but you can prove he doesn't have DNA?
God only existed in human form when he was Jesus. It's not like "the Father" ever took the form of mortal flesh. The same goes for the Holy Spirit.

If you read the Bible you see it was actually the Holy Spirit, not the Father, who impregnated Mary, so I don't really see how those two are different. Maybe someone more well-versed in these matters could clarify?

SIRIUSB 08-08-2011 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by The Monkey (Post 1093639)
God only existed in human form when he was Jesus. It's not like "the Father" ever took the form of mortal flesh. The same goes for the Holy Spirit.

If you read the Bible you see it was actually the Holy Spirit, not the Father, who impregnated Mary, so I don't really see how those two are different. Maybe someone more well-versed in these matters could clarify?
Sure . . . someone besides Joseph impregnated Mary (Roman soldier?) she gave birth to Yeshua, Yeshua (Jesus) starts his own religious sect separate and in opposition in may ways from the existing Jewish sects and hundreds of years later people marry together older God/Man myths to create scriptures intending to homogenize this Belief System. :beer:


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