Fat People - A Burden On The State?

djchameleon · 06-03-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin

Because its like saying that its ok what your doing the government will take care of you regaurdless. Where does this sense of entitlment come from? Do something for yourself.... THERE SHOULDNT BE HANDOUTS FOR PEOPLE that dont want to help themselves. If they are not that strong willed then go without and I guarantee you they would start having a change of heart. Americans are always pointing the finger, and playing the blame game, and crying about what somebody else can do for them. Its ridiculous really, and im not just talking about obesity or alcoholism its a multitude of things. Imagine if everyone took on this attitude of the government owes me everything? Then once were all setting around waiting on the other to take some initiative, and have bled the country dry..whos fault is it then? Gods? Are we suppose to wait on God to take care of us for our own mistakes then?

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree because you aren't getting the point of the same taxes that you pay. It's almost like insurance, if you qualify for it after paying into it for years why not apply for it? It's not a handout because you put your MONEY into it when you were working and now that you can't you are able to cash in on this insurance that you were paying into.

Bloozcrooz · 06-03-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree because you aren't getting the point of the same taxes that you pay. It's almost like insurance, if you qualify for it after paying into it for years why not apply for it? It's not a handout because you put your MONEY into it when you were working and now that you can't you are able to cash in on this insurance that you were paying into.

So if somebody works a couple of years, and then eats hiself into obesity, and is unable to work he's/she entitled to years of disability? Cause thats what will happen once he/she eats them self into having medical problems, and I doubt what lil amount he's/she payed in would be equal to the amount he/she would be drawing. Its not like our social security, and disability program is in the best of shape anyway. What about after (if he/she even had any) his/her insurance runs out, and he/she still has to receive medical treatment? Is that disability suppose to cover that along with everything else he/she has to pay for as well? When he doesnt pay his medical bills in effect it comes back on the people who are still paying taxes. Whos going to drive this guy/gal to the hospital, and pay for his gas however many times he has to go? It becomes an all around burden to everyone but him/her cause he/she didnt want to take responsibility for his/her actions. Just flat selfish behavior like he/she assumes they live in a vaccum and it doesnt affect anyone who is really trying. So what happens to the guy that legitimatley hurt his self earning a living, but cant draw anything cause of all the ones that abuse the system? What if everbody just decided to play follow the leader then nobodys working, and just eating all the time so they never paid in anything to start with. Would it not just be easier to nip the problem in the bud, and stop freaking eating yourself into oblivion? I dont make excuses for people cause nobody makes them for me or wants to hear I cant. Because the fact is a lot of people can, but just refuse to.

Mr November · 06-03-2011, 08:07 PM

I really don't think obese people are a huge budget issue at the end of the day. With all of the things governments waste taxes on, I don't think what basically amounts to healthcare, should be among the things people get upset about.

At the same time... Taxes aren't just some fund that you pay into. We pay taxes for things like national defence, healthcare, road service, public transportation, utilities (things that aren't visible for private enterprise to control 100% of). It's not really a case of personal entitlement.

In the case of the morbidly obese you could count it up to another case of poor mental health coverage threw-out the world. You can also look at it as people being free to do with their bodies what they want... but that isn't really true is it (A) Because no one really wants to be morbidly obese B) Because there are many drugs and activities which are illegal despite having a physical effect only on the individual)

djchameleon · 06-03-2011, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian E Coleman

At the same time... Taxes aren't just some fund that you pay into. We pay taxes for things like national defence, healthcare, road service, public transportation, utilities (things that aren't visible for private enterprise to control 100% of). It's not really a case of personal entitlement.

On the contrary, there are about three to four different types of taxes that get taken out of your check, look at it next time.

One goes to the feds for public services such as highway repair, etc. One goes to the states, one goes to social security and one goes to medicaid.

captaincaptain · 06-04-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

On the contrary, there are about three to four different types of taxes that get taken out of your check, look at it next time.

One goes to the feds for public services such as highway repair, etc. One goes to the states, one goes to social security and one goes to medicaid.

You check should be deducted for Medicare, not Medicaid. Medicaid is mostly a state funded program though the federal government does assist with it. Those funds are probably taken from the federal taxes we pay.

FETCHER. · 06-04-2011, 08:04 AM

Eh, considering you're from America then your wage slips are totally different. We pay, National Insurance and PAYE.

I'd rather they fixed the ****ing roads tbh, rather than keeping someones food supply going.

~~Dirty~~ · 06-05-2011, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

Obese people who can't work and claim disability are huge burdens to all of society. I don't think they should be provided any more beneifts than your average person. It is their choice to live that type of lifestyle and shouldn't be rewarded with disability money for being fat and lazy.

Fat family claims disability

This country hands out disability checks like hotcakes it seems. Seems to me like it's way too easy to claim disability for just about anything. Hell, I think Paloma could claim disability if she wanted (what a joke). It promotes being lazy and worthless to society and I don't like it. Taxpayers basically pay for some obese loser to eat themselves to death. I don't want to hear any bullshit excuses from fat people either about their genetics or hereditary obesity or whatever. Christ, you don't even have to exercise, just eat at a calorie deficit everyday. You won't look like a supermodel but at least you won't be morbidly obese. I want to be clear that I don't personally hate these people and feel for them and their families if and when they become sick, but it's a joke that they get paid for being fat. Stop paying them, and they can either be responsible human beings and change their eating habits or they can become poor and die.

Since Paloma found this offensive and complained the mods, I want to clarify what I was talking about in the bolded section. Paloma has said she could receive disability for being schizophrenic (i think), even though she seems relatively normal. And I was talking about how people get disabilities for things they shouldnt. And her being able to get a disability check if she wanted is a total joke to me. I still don't really see how that was offensive, but apparently it was so I am clearing up what I meant.

And the thing about people who are fat compared to racial minorities or gays is that there is more ability to control the weight than race or sexual attraction or whatever. That's pretty obvious. I don't think anyone is hating on fat people in general anyways, pretty much just the ones that are so gigantic that they can't work. I don't really buy into the food addiction thing. I realize people get depressed or have poor self image or a bad childhood or whatever, but I still feel like it's all up to the person whether or not they want to lose weight. If you know that eating a pack of donuts will only make you fatter, and you do it anyway, I can't chalk it up to 'addiction' as an excuse. To me it's just not a real serious commitment in wanting to quit. For anyone who wants to lose weight, it isn't rocket science, just eat less than your maintenance calories. I just think it's more a matter of will power than 'addiction.'

and i didn't realize how long it took to get disability so thanks for that info, really, but by 'easily' I mean more being able to get disability for stupid shit that I don't think warrants a disability check. So many mental disorders that seem so minor. Just because some doctor or psychiatrist somewhere diagnosed a weirdo with a mental illness doesn't warrant them getting free money in my opinion. That's what I was saying by my Paloma comment. She has said she can get disiability for being a schizo and I think that's a load of dogshit

Mr November · 06-06-2011, 11:37 PM

Ya I'm Canadian so my taxes would be a bit different from in the States, but either way I don't see it as a case of personal entitlement.

djchameleon · 06-07-2011, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by captaincaptain

You check should be deducted for Medicare, not Medicaid. Medicaid is mostly a state funded program though the federal government does assist with it. Those funds are probably taken from the federal taxes we pay.

Yeah, thanks that's what I meant. I mix those two up all the time.

There is a bigger issue here.

The government gives tax breaks to corn farmers and that corn gets turned into high fructose corn syrup. They put that into all soft drinks and then have the nerve to want to turn around and put an extra tax on soft drinks because of people being overweight. WTF!?

Why doesn't the government give tax breaks on healthy food choices? Why the **** do those products have to be so expensive?

You want to know what? They want people to be as fat as possible. So that they have medical problems.

When they have medical problems then the health industry gets in on the racket insurance company, prescriptions costing astronomical prices and doctors getting their share.

Greed revolves around it all.

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-07-2011, 03:48 AM

Philippine taxes all go straight to the crocodiles (politicians) pockets.
totally corrupt individuals.

06-03-2011, 08:07 PM	#83 (permalink)
Mr November Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 429	I really don't think obese people are a huge budget issue at the end of the day. With all of the things governments waste taxes on, I don't think what basically amounts to healthcare, should be among the things people get upset about. At the same time... Taxes aren't just some fund that you pay into. We pay taxes for things like national defence, healthcare, road service, public transportation, utilities (things that aren't visible for private enterprise to control 100% of). It's not really a case of personal entitlement. In the case of the morbidly obese you could count it up to another case of poor mental health coverage threw-out the world. You can also look at it as people being free to do with their bodies what they want... but that isn't really true is it (A) Because no one really wants to be morbidly obese B) Because there are many drugs and activities which are illegal despite having a physical effect only on the individual)

06-06-2011, 11:37 PM	#88 (permalink)
Mr November Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 429	Ya I'm Canadian so my taxes would be a bit different from in the States, but either way I don't see it as a case of personal entitlement.

06-07-2011, 03:48 AM	#90 (permalink)
~~The Virgin~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cebu, Philippines Posts: 677	Philippine taxes all go straight to the crocodiles (politicians) pockets. totally corrupt individuals.