Fat People - A Burden On The State?

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 06-03-2011, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I'm not genuinely sick, but I'm far enough from resembling a rail that much of the hate speech in this thread can apply to me, and I imagine it's much the same for NSW.

I'm very disappointed.

Sorry hun I can't really make sense of what you are saying? Well I definitely am not hating on anyone.

Paedantic Basterd · 06-03-2011, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

Sorry hun I can't really make sense of what you are saying? Well I definitely am not hating on anyone.

Essentially, what I am saying is the following:

If I valued the opinions of the people who have posted in this thread more, I would be very hurt by what they have said here.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 06-03-2011, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Essentially, what I am saying is the following:

If I valued the opinions of the people who have posted in this thread more, I would be very hurt by what they have said here.

Gotcha! I completely understand why.

captaincaptain · 06-03-2011, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Essentially, what I am saying is the following:

If I valued the opinions of the people who have posted in this thread more, I would be very hurt by what they have said here.

You shouldn't take whatever I've said and project onto yourself. I've just stated how I feel about a certain population of people that perform self destructive behavior.

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-03-2011, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Essentially, what I am saying is the following:

If I valued the opinions of the people who have posted in this thread more, I would be very hurt by what they have said here.

good point. this is one way of thinking to make sure you'll remain sane after going thru the musicbanter threads.

Paedantic Basterd · 06-03-2011, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by captaincaptain

You shouldn't take whatever I've said and project onto yourself. I've just stated how I feel about a certain population of people that perform self destructive behavior.

It's a bit difficult not to when everyone posting in this thread is making sweeping generalizations.

captaincaptain · 06-03-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

It's a bit difficult not to when everyone posting in this thread is making sweeping generalizations.

I've tried my best not to make those, because there are cases where people can't help themselves. The main point I attempted to make was more about living an unhealthy life. A lot of people that claim they don't gain weight because they have a high metabolism doesn't mean their healthy. You can be overweight, even obese and live a healthy, active lifestyle. Though when we're talking about people that are 350-400+ lbs., it's not just a thyroid problem, it's because they allowed themselves to get to that point.

Paedantic Basterd · 06-03-2011, 12:43 AM

I'm not saying that no valid points have been made, simply that the manner in which they've been stated is hateful and disgusting, and I'm very disappointed in the conduct of users during this discussion.

I appreciate those who have had the common decency to remain reasonable and factual, but those aren't the people I am hearing address the posts of Urban, myself, and NSW now that they've been called on their behaviour.

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-03-2011, 01:46 AM

all I can say is that if people wants to be fat, let them be.

djchameleon · 06-03-2011, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin

Of course you cant just stop eating true enough but you can choose to eat different types of food can you not? You can acheive some amount of self control in the amounts of what you eat. Again I think in both cases its a matter of motivation, and want to.

Not everyone is strong enough to do these things on their own. Congrats to you for being able to knock your two habits like that but people can have motivation and drive to do it but they are so far gone that they need some assistance from a program to help put them on the right track.

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin

But to the ones that insist on stuffing their face and over indulging to the point of gluttony is a lack of self control imo.

There are way deeper issues than just lack of self control. Some of you guys need to step back out of your shoes and think about more than just how you deal with situations and how people get to the point where they are obese. Have you ever actually spoken to an obese person besides making fun of them? Have you ever heard their story about what got them to the point that they are the weight size that they are? If you do that you may actually be enlightened to the fact that there are other issues that go into them being the size they are and not just a "oh I like this food and I can't stop eating it because it taste soooo good."

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

I just get pissed off when obviously overweight people get foodstamps.

your weight has nothing to do with your income as far as that's concerned. So you are saying only thin people that get fired and are having a hard time finding a job are okay to get foodstamps but fuck the fattie that used to work for a living and was fired from the same company as the thin person. That fattie doesn't need to eat anymore because they can just live off of their fat.

Come on now.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

I did want to raise a healthy debate and I knew it could get tense. As a person who has suffered from depression and has both nearly stopped eating and overeaten in different times I can see what a complex situation it can be for bigger people. However there is a point where you have to see that your over eating, never getting out is going to kill you and be a burden to others and your family if you don't make a change.

Not everyone can see that point without a little help from outside, maybe having a counselor or something to show them what's going to happen to them if they keep on their current path in that lifestyle and show them ways to change their eating habits.

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Originally Posted by captaincaptain

The main point I attempted to make was more about living an unhealthy life. A lot of people that claim they don't gain weight because they have a high metabolism doesn't mean their healthy. You can be overweight, even obese and live a healthy, active lifestyle. Though when we're talking about people that are 350-400+ lbs., it's not just a thyroid problem, it's because they allowed themselves to get to that point.

Yes they just allowed themselves to get to that point because food is so delicious that they loved being talked about and made fun of in public right?

Take a step back and go into their shoes for a moment. There are many factors that may have lead that person to getting up to that high weight. Depression is usually a main factor but even then. If they get themselves into the situation some of them know that they have to get out of it because they will die but they don't know the proper means/ways to go about doing it. Some might still even be in a depressed state. They need help it's not something they can just do on their own. You guys are quick to give advice to alcoholics to get into a program to help them recover but no fuck the fattie they got themselves into this situation. That's the point I believe that Pedestrian was trying to make.

06-03-2011, 12:43 AM	#68 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	I'm not saying that no valid points have been made, simply that the manner in which they've been stated is hateful and disgusting, and I'm very disappointed in the conduct of users during this discussion. I appreciate those who have had the common decency to remain reasonable and factual, but those aren't the people I am hearing address the posts of Urban, myself, and NSW now that they've been called on their behaviour.

06-03-2011, 01:46 AM	#69 (permalink)
~~The Virgin~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cebu, Philippines Posts: 677	all I can say is that if people wants to be fat, let them be.