Can God Give Free Will?

RVCA · 06-23-2011, 02:34 PM

I like to think that we are all nothing more than cosmic dust in the wind; bits of exploded stars from the distant past, to become nothing more than particles all but infinitely recycled into new stars of the distant future. We are so comically infinitesimal that our "will" and our "choices" ultimately mean absolutely nothing, so even if you believe that we have control over our own "destiny", your beliefs don't change the universe's vast, implacable indifference towards us.

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-23-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

I like to think that we are all nothing more than cosmic dust in the wind; bits of exploded stars from the distant past, to become nothing more than particles all but infinitely recycled into new stars of the distant future. We are so comically infinitesimal that our "will" and our "choices" ultimately mean absolutely nothing, so even if you believe that we have control over our own "destiny", your beliefs don't change the universe's vast, implacable indifference towards us.

of course our will and our choices mean something.
if you feel like you're just a dust, then don't generalize all people.
maybe it's just you. or the way you're dealing with yourself right now.
but in all totality, we do are created with purpose and reason.

RVCA · 06-23-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

of course our will and our choices mean something.
if you feel like you're just a dust, then don't generalize all people.
maybe it's just you. or the way you're dealing with yourself right now.
but in all totality, we do are created with purpose and reason.

lol

Howard the Duck · 06-23-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

of course our will and our choices mean something.
if you feel like you're just a dust, then don't generalize all people.
maybe it's just you. or the way you're dealing with yourself right now.
but in all totality, we do are created with purpose and reason.

"stardust" envy

The Batlord · 06-24-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

of course our will and our choices mean something.

And what would that be? What could our actions possibly do to affect the larger universe? What could our actions possibly do to affect an omnipotent being? I mean if we end up killing every single thing on this planet with a nuclear war, even the moon probably wouldn't be affected in the slightest.

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-24-2011, 09:45 AM

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And what would that be? What could our actions possibly do to affect the larger universe? What could our actions possibly do to affect an omnipotent being? I mean if we end up killing every single thing on this planet with a nuclear war, even the moon probably wouldn't be affected in the slightest.

the purpose is not always to be something that is large.
remember, every journey begins with a simple step.

The Batlord · 06-24-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

the purpose is not always to be something that is large.
remember, every journey begins with a simple step.

Why don't you just admit that you have no earthly idea what that purpose is and therefore that you don't even know if there is a purpose. Or that just by virtue of his being "God", he can even give you a purpose.

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-24-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Why don't you just admit that you have no earthly idea what that purpose is and therefore that you don't even know if there is a purpose. Or that just by virtue of his being "God", he can even give you a purpose.

nope, i can't admit something that's not me.
nobody knows what our purpose is until we fulfilled it.
only then can we say that indeed, we live with purpose.
i myself have already found my purpose so that's why I know, God gives us purpose here on earth.
that's the very reason why he created us.

The Batlord · 06-24-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

nope, i can't admit something that's not me.
nobody knows what our purpose is until we fulfilled it.
only then can we say that indeed, we live with purpose.
i myself have already found my purpose so that's why I know, God gives us purpose here on earth.
that's the very reason why he created us.

In other words, until you've decided what it is you want to do with your life, you don't have a purpose. This is a secular idea that you have wrapped in religious babble. "Purpose" is a human invention that has absolutely no meaning unless we humans agree that it has meaning.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 06-24-2011, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

nope, i can't admit something that's not me.
nobody knows what our purpose is until we fulfilled it.
only then can we say that indeed, we live with purpose.
i myself have already found my purpose so that's why I know, God gives us purpose here on earth.
that's the very reason why he created us.

Leaving out all of the religious reasoning, I agree that we must give purpose to our own lives.

06-23-2011, 02:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
RVCA （￣ー￣） Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,270	I like to think that we are all nothing more than cosmic dust in the wind; bits of exploded stars from the distant past, to become nothing more than particles all but infinitely recycled into new stars of the distant future. We are so comically infinitesimal that our "will" and our "choices" ultimately mean absolutely nothing, so even if you believe that we have control over our own "destiny", your beliefs don't change the universe's vast, implacable indifference towards us.