Can God Give Free Will?

Mr November · 06-06-2011, 11:19 PM

Christianity doesn't have anything useful to offer so I recommend a more modern book than The Holy Bible if you're looking for knowledge. The Bible is like an incredibly out of date text book with loads of misinformation about science and a lack of political correctness (it comes from a time when political correctness was basically completely backwards to what it is now).

So I fail to see what there is to learn from it. Even its historical accounts are shaky at best, and until you've philosophically examined the probability of God independently of The Bible, I don't know why you would assume it to be a legitimate source of information about the divine.

Neapolitan · 06-06-2011, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

Euh... tell that to extremists around the world, flying planes into buildings and spending their children's college fund on billboards promoting the rapture. What's more, tell that to moderates around the world who use their beliefs to actively refute claims of knowledge based on evidence and reason.

What do "moderates" do to "refute claims of knowledge based on evidence and reason?"

The Christian religion pertains to faith and morals, and their are no disputes with discoveries within the world of science, as long as it doesn't use the knowledge gain from science for immorality. Christianity isn't against Chemistry, but it is against taking that knowledge (from Chemistry) and using it to create chemical weapons, pills etc etc for the purpose killing people. Morality>Technology

djchameleon · 06-07-2011, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

We have the free will to what we want but if we make the wrong choice, we burn in hell? Sorry no. We can't ask questions, because knowledge? Sorry, I can't believe in a god that forbids me to ask questions. This is scattered throughout the Bible, don't question God's authority, although we are perfect, made in god's image, etc etc. How much sense does it make to you that your god would gift us with intelligence and innate curiosity about our surroundings, yet forbid us to use it, except in his name?

Even though it says in the Bible that we are made in his image, it doesn't say we are perfect. It says we are his creations. If you create human beings and you sit up in the sky watching them like little ants because you supposedly gave them free will then I don't think they would be perfect.

The whole "don't question God's authority" I don't understand or get that part. Could you explain what you mean by that a bit more?

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Originally Posted by Paloma

But I suppose people who are more weakwilled would rather leave that to the great unknown )(forgive me religious people, but I feel it's the truth, but I don't think any less of you for it, really)

I feel that way about people that go to church regularly. They are weakwilled in the same faith/religion that they believe in if they have to worship their God in a group and aren't able to do it alone in the comforts of their own home.

I always used to bring up the fact that in the bible it states that your body is a temple and you should treat it as such. Then you should be able to worship and praise God anywhere that your body is. What's the point of forcing people to go into a man-made building to do the same thing that could be done at home?

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Originally Posted by Ian E Coleman

Christianity doesn't have anything useful to offer so I recommend a more modern book than The Holy Bible if you're looking for knowledge. The Bible is like an incredibly out of date text book with loads of misinformation about science and a lack of political correctness (it comes from a time when political correctness was basically completely backwards to what it is now).

So I fail to see what there is to learn from it. Even its historical accounts are shaky at best, and until you've philosophically examined the probability of God independently of The Bible, I don't know why you would assume it to be a legitimate source of information about the divine.

The thing that most Christians learn from the bible is a moral code. What they should and should not do. The Ten Commandments and beyond that.

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

What do "moderates" do to "refute claims of knowledge based on evidence and reason?"

The Christian religion pertains to faith and morals, and their are no disputes with discoveries within the world of science, as long as it doesn't use the knowledge gain from science for immorality. Christianity isn't against Chemistry, but it is against taking that knowledge (from Chemistry) and using it to create chemical weapons, pills etc etc for the purpose killing people. Morality>Technology

Christianity is against Science in the sense that they feel that certain things shouldn't be tampered with because that's the way that God made them and those in Science are trying to play God by some of the things they do for example their views on cloning.

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-07-2011, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian E Coleman

Christianity doesn't have anything useful to offer so I recommend a more modern book than The Holy Bible if you're looking for knowledge. The Bible is like an incredibly out of date text book with loads of misinformation about science and a lack of political correctness (it comes from a time when political correctness was basically completely backwards to what it is now).

So I fail to see what there is to learn from it. Even its historical accounts are shaky at best, and until you've philosophically examined the probability of God independently of The Bible, I don't know why you would assume it to be a legitimate source of information about the divine.

funny cause you kept on saying The Bible is worthless and useless yet you keep on capitalizing the whole The Holy Bible. just find it odd.

Howard the Duck · 06-07-2011, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian E Coleman

Christianity doesn't have anything useful to offer so I recommend a more modern book than The Holy Bible if you're looking for knowledge. The Bible is like an incredibly out of date text book with loads of misinformation about science and a lack of political correctness (it comes from a time when political correctness was basically completely backwards to what it is now).

So I fail to see what there is to learn from it. Even its historical accounts are shaky at best, and until you've philosophically examined the probability of God independently of The Bible, I don't know why you would assume it to be a legitimate source of information about the divine.

look it was the first Literature known to men

even if you don't subscribe to what it says, there are tons of brilliant interpretations of the Scripture, based on history and the language itself

then there is the Jewish Torah and the Tanakh, the text on which the Old Testament is based on, there's a lot of history there, even if it ain't necessarily so (quote unquote Gershwin)

not to mention The Apocrypha and the Gnostic Gospels

djchameleon · 06-07-2011, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

funny cause you kept on saying The Bible is worthless and useless yet you keep on capitalizing the whole The Holy Bible. just find it odd.

he does that because he respects the English language as he stated earlier in another post.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 06-07-2011, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

he does that because he respects the English language as he stated earlier in another post.

Exactly, you'd do the same for Quran.

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-07-2011, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

he does that because he respects the English language as he stated earlier in another post.

i doubt it

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

Exactly, you'd do the same for Quran.

i don't do the same for quran

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 06-07-2011, 07:25 AM

Well that's you, innit. ****, we're not all buttplugging, Mariah Carey loving, women hating, people with bad grammar, are we?

You usually always capitalise a title of SOMETHING. Actually for books/magazines, you use italics as well, but we are a bunch of lazy ****s.

Dotoar · 06-07-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

i don't do the same for quran

And neither for the first person article. How disrespectful.

06-06-2011, 11:19 PM	#101 (permalink)
Mr November Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 429	Christianity doesn't have anything useful to offer so I recommend a more modern book than The Holy Bible if you're looking for knowledge. The Bible is like an incredibly out of date text book with loads of misinformation about science and a lack of political correctness (it comes from a time when political correctness was basically completely backwards to what it is now). So I fail to see what there is to learn from it. Even its historical accounts are shaky at best, and until you've philosophically examined the probability of God independently of The Bible, I don't know why you would assume it to be a legitimate source of information about the divine.

06-07-2011, 07:25 AM	#109 (permalink)
~~Sansa Stark~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Eyrie, Vale of Arryn, Westeros Posts: 3,234	Well that's you, innit. **, we're not all buttplugging, Mariah Carey loving, women hating, people with bad grammar, are we? You usually always capitalise a title of SOMETHING. Actually for books/magazines, you use italics as well, but we are a bunch of lazy **s.