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Mr November 05-04-2011 01:08 AM

The Future of Humankind's Marriage to the Internet
 
The internet is something that people in western culture connect with on a more or less daily basis. The concept of free flowing information available through search engines and websites has revolutionized the way we consume information, music, videos, literature, and even our social lives and structure as a society.

The internet is also taking over TV, Radio, Telephones etc. It's all becoming one integrated system that we are all connected to.

So where do we see this going?

I have my concerns about the internet. It has serious psychological effects on us. We are more informed than ever before, but are we better for it?

An optimist would say that the internet is an asset to democracy, and an intellectual leveller that gives more people the ability to be informed and educated on more topics.

Being the pessimistic, skeptical bastard that I am, I can't help noticing how when you look at the internet's content you see something totally different. And when you look deeper into it, you see some really troubling things. Here are the risks that we face:

Deterioration of language
Privacy Loss
Commercialization
Social ineptitude
Apathy
Censorship
Tailored isolation

Just a few that I see. Here's a few videos that talk about the internet and where it's going.






RVCA 05-04-2011 01:22 AM

Unrelated to anything in your original post (as far as I can tell), I think we are quickly approaching an age where internet neutrality is a thing of the past, and it sucks. That's my justification for whoring music downloads while I (presumably) still can.

Mr November 05-04-2011 01:24 AM

That's actually pretty related to my original post :P

I agree.

Dotoar 05-04-2011 06:20 AM

A vaster amount of information accumulated during the last 15 years than ever before, accessible to more people than ever before. Sounds like a nice feat if you ask me.

Howard the Duck 05-04-2011 07:28 AM

over here, it's mostly talk in tea-shops (anti-governmental rants) put in text form for the world to see, without fear of reprisal from the secret police

Burning Down 05-04-2011 07:31 AM

There are actually treatment programs in rehab centres for Internet addiction, too. But yeah, the Internet is all around us, and it's not going to go away any time soon. There's a website for every little thing now, it seems.

TheBig3 05-04-2011 07:31 AM

I don't think anyone who was social before will abandon their friends for the internet. Even if it happened on a small scale, socialization would become a commodity. Everything balances. Just because "you" hate certain folks, or see symptoms happening in some people (perceived) doesn't mean its a full blown slippery slope. Things balance. People end up not wanting to be connected at some point and lay off.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 05-04-2011 08:01 AM

YTMND = Fall of man.

Nosferatu Man 05-04-2011 08:35 AM

I agree with Ian E, my mother was in London the other week and I asked her about it and we got talking about some restaurant she went to in Notting Hill, she decided to go to this particular restaurant as when she was outside it she googled it on her iphone and having received a number of favourable reviews she went in.

I Phones and the internet are too invasive we are losing a natural curiousity videogames were a precursor but kids these days are either sharpening knives or lost in cyberspace. When I was young we went outside.

Howard the Duck 05-04-2011 08:45 AM

i feel really funky taking a holiday and not having a line

Burning Down 05-04-2011 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1048197)
i feel really funky taking a holiday and not having a line

You should, and you could I guess. Just take a week to go somewhere and leave your cellphone, computer, and whatever at home.

Dotoar 05-04-2011 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nosferatu Man (Post 1048193)
I agree with Ian E, my mother was in London the other week and I asked her about it and we got talking about some restaurant she went to in Notting Hill, she decided to go to this particular restaurant as when she was outside it she googled it on her iphone and having received a number of favourable reviews she went in.

And how is that bad? If anything, it saved her a potentially bad dinner.

TheBig3 05-04-2011 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dotoar (Post 1048245)
And how is that bad? If anything, it saved her a potentially bad dinner.

Yeah, right? Man, people getting a good hint on where to eat is going to kill the human race.

Paedantic Basterd 05-04-2011 09:32 AM

Insensitivity to violence and depravity is a huge concern of mine, as is the decrease in respect for others and inability to communicate with them.

Burning Down 05-04-2011 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1048251)
Insensitivity to violence and depravity is a huge concern of mine, as is the decrease in respect for others and inability to communicate with them.

How do you mean? That people are using cyberspace as a veil to say things to others that they probably wouldn't say in real life?

TheBig3 05-04-2011 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1048251)
Insensitivity to violence and depravity is a huge concern of mine, as is the decrease in respect for others and inability to communicate with them.

Thats happening because of the internet?

Paedantic Basterd 05-04-2011 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1048255)
Thats happening because of the internet?

I would say that the common access to videos and images such as 2girls1cup, and the fact that these images are increasingly treated as a joke, is a problem.

Mr November 05-04-2011 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1048254)
How do you mean? That people are using cyberspace as a veil to say things to others that they probably wouldn't say in real life?

Well cyber bullying or whatever has become a more high profile issue. And while I probably don't take it as seriously as I should, I think it's something real, and probably different from conventional bullying in many ways.

And the other thing is that we have access to information about all of the violence, violations of human rights, people starving etc - which is more a product of the expansion of all kinds of information sources not just the internet - but it does desensitize us I think. It certainly has done to me.

Urban Hat€monger ? 05-04-2011 09:43 AM

Other than buying less music & less magazines I've not noticed any real difference in myself since I came online.

But then I just treat the internet like one more piece of home entertainment.
I'm not the slightest bit interested in 4G phones (Or phones of any kind for that matter), social networking, twitter or any of that kind of thing that means I get interrupted when I'm out doing something, or bore people about what I'm doing.

And someone answer me this, what the hell do you do exactly with an Ipad?

Mr November 05-04-2011 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 1048260)
And someone answer me this, what the hell do you do exactly with an Ipad?

You show it off to people and pretend it isn't pointless. Some of them will play along with you.

Dotoar 05-04-2011 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1048257)
I would say that the common access to videos and images such as 2girls1cup, and the fact that these images are increasingly treated as a joke, is a problem.

Why is that? And why shouldn't I get to watch videos of defecation if I wanted to? (Not that I ever would. In fact, I've actually managed to avoid watching "2girls1cup", based on what I've read about it).

TheBig3 05-04-2011 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1048257)
I would say that the common access to videos and images such as 2girls1cup, and the fact that these images are increasingly treated as a joke, is a problem.

Yeah but thats by teenagers who are, as a whole, ****ing ridiculous anyhow. That comes to an end by, say, 24. Its why the demographics are breaking down the way they are.

By the time you're forced to get a job, pay taxes, endure a long-term relationship, and eat actual food, not something microwaved that comes in a bag, you stop having time for **** like 2-girls, 1-cup. This sort of Frat Humor doesn't hold up in the light of questions like "why do I think this is funny again?" Its just like a Will Ferral movie.

I think your concerns are more "Why are we giving the 14-24 crowd easier access to **** they don't need?" And to that end I agree with you. But the 37 year olds still laughing at that **** are punished with miserably benign jobs and a home in the basement of the house they grew up in.

CanwllCorfe 05-04-2011 11:17 AM

2 Girls 1 Cup is nothing. Almost anything on the YNC is worse.

I remember a band teacher in my high school had said that back in the day, while on the trip to where they'd be performing, everyone would be singing and playing games and whatnot. Sometimes he'd have to get them to quiet down a bit, which isn't surprising. But in the last 2 years or so, he said everyone just listens to their mp3 players and text away on their phones. It's sad.

TheBig3 05-04-2011 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1048315)
2 Girls 1 Cup is nothing. Almost anything on the YNC is worse.

I remember a band teacher in my high school had said that back in the day, while on the trip to where they'd be performing, everyone would be singing and playing games and whatnot. Sometimes he'd have to get them to quiet down a bit, which isn't surprising. But in the last 2 years or so, he said everyone just listens to their mp3 players and text away on their phones. It's sad.

Why is it sad? They're still socializing if they're texting.

Nosferatu Man 05-04-2011 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1048249)
Yeah, right? Man, people getting a good hint on where to eat is going to kill the human race.


Well for me it removes the whole romance of going somewhere new and sampling a city. I would prefer to find things out for myself. I appreciate this is a pretty ridiculous personal preferece!

CanwllCorfe 05-04-2011 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1048320)
Why is it sad? They're still socializing if they're texting.

And yet they're surrounded by people. Just yesterday I went out for wings with a couple of friends I haven't seen in awhile, and I was the only one who didn't keep checking my damn phone.

Thom Yorke 05-04-2011 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1048327)
And yet they're surrounded by people. Just yesterday I went out for wings with a couple of friends I haven't seen in awhile, and I was the only one who didn't keep checking my damn phone.

I'm not one of those "technology is killing human interaction" people, but this is unbelievably annoying.

Urban Hat€monger ? 05-04-2011 11:50 AM

When i did have a mobile phone all my texts basically consisted of the following words...

Pub 8.00

CanwllCorfe 05-04-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thom Yorke (Post 1048328)
I'm not one of those "technology is killing human interaction" people, but this is unbelievably annoying.

It really is. I mean, you're WITH friends. I could see if you were with people you didn't know or didn't like, but come on. What happens when you're with the people you're texting? Do you then text the people you were just hanging out with? It makes no sense to me.

TheBig3 05-04-2011 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1048327)
And yet they're surrounded by people. Just yesterday I went out for wings with a couple of friends I haven't seen in awhile, and I was the only one who didn't keep checking my damn phone.

Oh boy. The subjective is not fact. Something happened to you, I get that. Unless this is a comedy routine, you can't say "whats the deal with everyone doing X" if you can't show any figures.

And beyond that, even if you had figures, you couldn't infer intent. To the point about being surrounded by people, School has never been a great social scene. I'm 28 now, you know how many people I still speak with from HS...maybe 5. Friends based on geographic location doesn't make a terrible amount of sense. You're surrounded by people if you're in prison too, doesn't mean I want to speak to them.

CanwllCorfe 05-04-2011 12:22 PM

Goddamn. I had no idea I needed sources with facts propping up things I've experienced. I didn't even say they were facts. Jesus. Lighten up. The whole point is that they could be sitting next to someone who share their same interests and could end up being great friends, but they would never know that. Sorry, I don't have an article proving that.

right-track 05-04-2011 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 1048330)
When i did have a mobile phone all my texts basically consisted of the following words...

Pub 8.00

I think I have your phone.

TheBig3 05-04-2011 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1048346)
Goddamn. I had no idea I needed sources with facts propping up things I've experienced. I didn't even say they were facts. Jesus. Lighten up. The whole point is that they could be sitting next to someone who share their same interests and could end up being great friends, but they would never know that. Sorry, I don't have an article proving that.

I love how the whole community will get its panties in a twist over the least consequential ****, then tell me I should lighten up. I'm not the one saying the world is going to hell in a handbasket because kids have iPods.

And alright, you make a good point here, but the reason I'm saying "get me the figures" is because you're speaking as if its certain. You've started the discussion based on assumptions. Thats never a good thing. I happen to work in a school, and I know they aren't allow to have phones in class. So at some point they're socializing.

CanwllCorfe 05-04-2011 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1048387)
I love how the whole community will get its panties in a twist over the least consequential ****, then tell me I should lighten up. I'm not the one saying the world is going to hell in a handbasket because kids have iPods.

When did I ever say anything as dramatic as that? So far I said that it was "sad" because of what I just said in my previous post and the experience I'd heard from a band teacher, how messed up the videos are the YNC, and that I don't get why people text and constantly check their phones when they're with friends. I surely don't think the world is going to hell in a handbasket. That's not even close to what I think. I just wish people would cut it back more. Go outside! Go on a picnic! I know when I'm on my family reunion, my phone is staying at the hotel. My friends can wait.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1048387)
And alright, you make a good point here, but the reason I'm saying "get me the figures" is because you're speaking as if its certain. You've started the discussion based on assumptions. Thats never a good thing. I happen to work in a school, and I know they aren't allow to have phones in class. So at some point they're socializing.

Not assumptions, experiences. I never assumed anything. Right up there I just summed up everything I said so far. I do think it's sad, the YNC does have some horrible videos that I'd never like to see again, and I am annoyed by the people who text and check their phones constantly. I'm also bothered by texting while driving. Is it REALLY that goddamn urgent?! Put it down.

I think you're trying to make everything I say into an argument. I have no intentions on debating. Debating is for people who like to argue and who have an affinity for facts and figures and logic. I'm much more of a thinking/feeling person, which is probably why everything I've said thus far is based around experience.

Dotoar 05-04-2011 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nosferatu Man (Post 1048324)
Well for me it removes the whole romance of going somewhere new and sampling a city. I would prefer to find things out for myself. I appreciate this is a pretty ridiculous personal preferece!

It's not a ridiculous preference. You're still free to not use electronic interactive aid when sightseeing.

CanwllCorfe 05-04-2011 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nosferatu Man (Post 1048193)
I agree with Ian E, my mother was in London the other week and I asked her about it and we got talking about some restaurant she went to in Notting Hill, she decided to go to this particular restaurant as when she was outside it she googled it on her iphone and having received a number of favourable reviews she went in.

Sounds like something I would do. I can't afford to unknowingly eat at a ****ty restaurant. :laughing: I used to be worse though, and only get what I knew they couldn't screw up. Like grilled cheese! I know one time me and my mom decided to eat at a diner that was over 30 years old, figuring it had to be good if it'd been there for that long. Well, the chicken quite literally tasted like nothing, so I put some barbecue sauce on it. The barbecue sauce had tons of honey and cinnamon in it, which made it almost taste like it was for a pastry. The fries tasted like old potatoes, except not as flavorful. Horrible experience.

TheBig3 05-06-2011 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1048393)
When did I ever say anything as dramatic as that? So far I said that it was "sad" because of what I just said in my previous post and the experience I'd heard from a band teacher, how messed up the videos are the YNC, and that I don't get why people text and constantly check their phones when they're with friends. I surely don't think the world is going to hell in a handbasket. That's not even close to what I think. I just wish people would cut it back more. Go outside! Go on a picnic! I know when I'm on my family reunion, my phone is staying at the hotel. My friends can wait.



Not assumptions, experiences. I never assumed anything. Right up there I just summed up everything I said so far. I do think it's sad, the YNC does have some horrible videos that I'd never like to see again, and I am annoyed by the people who text and check their phones constantly. I'm also bothered by texting while driving. Is it REALLY that goddamn urgent?! Put it down.

I think you're trying to make everything I say into an argument. I have no intentions on debating. Debating is for people who like to argue and who have an affinity for facts and figures and logic. I'm much more of a thinking/feeling person, which is probably why everything I've said thus far is based around experience.

My only response to this would be the quote in my signature.

CanwllCorfe 05-06-2011 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1049347)
My only response to this would be the quote in my signature.

Alrighty. But I would like to know why your stance is the "truth", and what "facts" there are about what I'm trying to say, because as I've said a few times already, everything I've mentioned thus far is experiences. I really don't understand what you're trying to prove. Or why you're trying at all. You have a different feeling on the subject, just leave it at that.

EDIT: Unless you meant to the first quote. Considering I formed my post around the assumption that you meant the second one, I'm almost certain you were referring to the first. That's just how things work for me.

Mr November 05-06-2011 03:20 PM

The thread is supposed to be about people's opinion: and they can bring in experiences, or sources, or just say what they think and use neither.

I get frustrated when I'm on a thread about something interesting and it at some point gets caught in huge walls of text that say practically nothing.

I didn't see anything wrong with what Canwll said tbh.

CanwllCorfe 05-06-2011 04:03 PM

I know! It's just my opinion. I could see if we were discussing something with cold hard facts, but I merely said how I feel and mentioned a few experiences that make me feel the way I do.

And yes, I definitely agree about the "walls of text" observation. Intelligent people make complicated things simple, people who think they're intelligent make simple things complicated.

EDIT: For the record, I'm not referring to anyone in particular. It luckily hasn't happened in this thread, at least to the extent that I've seen in others. You know the ones, you've seen them.


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