Sounds Like Bin Laden's Dead

right-track · 05-07-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaqarbal

Do you consider the I.R.A. (or any other terrorist group) to be a representative of society? Let's see:

On one hand, we have some terrorist organizations (Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, IRA, etc.)
On the other hand, millions of ordinary people who don't commit any terrorist act.

Which of the above should be considered as the best representative of a whole people (or a country, a society, a human community, etc.) in order to establish compromises?
It seems to be the first one to you.

Then you'd be wrong.

midnight rain · 05-07-2011, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

Then you'd be wrong.

I think his point is that you suggested we compromise with a few radicals that make up such a small percentage of the World population, it'd be ridiculous for the rest to give in. It's like the idea of compromising every time one person in the entire world has a problem with something.

right-track · 05-07-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

I think his point is that you suggested we compromise with a few radicals that make up such a small percentage of the World population, it'd be ridiculous for the rest to give in. It's like the idea of compromising every time one person in the entire world has a problem with something.

I'll think you'll find I didn't suggest that at all.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-07-2011, 07:03 PM

So if compromising is out how do you hope to settle anything?

The IRA wanted a united Ireland, they don't have that.
Yet they were willing to lay down their arms & work for the people with discussion & compromise after a 30 year terror war.

Have you ever read Bin Laden's demands?
Some of them were quite reasonable.

midnight rain · 05-07-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

So if compromising is out how do you hope to settle anything?

The IRA wanted a united Ireland, they don't have that.
Yet they were willing to lay down their arms & work for the people with discussion & compromise after a 30 year terror war.

Have you ever read Bin Laden's demands?
Some of them were quite reasonable.

His demands went out the window the moment he decided to act out in the form of 9/11.

Oh and for those arguing he wasn't in control of Al Qaeda to the end: A vane Osama bin Laden shown in new videos - CBS Evening News - CBS News

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-07-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

His demands went out the window the moment he decided to act out in the form of 9/11.

And you responded by blowing the shit out of two countries.

At some point you have to draw a line under it & say enough.

midnight rain · 05-07-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

And you responded by blowing the shit out of two countries.

At some point you have to draw a line under it & say enough.

So you think it'd be a good idea to respond to an event like 9/11 by giving in to what they requesting, pretty much telling them that it's an acceptable proposal of demands for future reference?

The difference between us and them is we're killing armed, dangerous and ruthless militia. They killed innocent people going to work.

right-track · 05-07-2011, 07:17 PM

The demands included the removal of U.S. forces from Saudi soil following the first Gulf war, home of Islam's two most holy places Mecca and Medina.
Since 9/11 this has happened.
Where were al Qaeda in Iraq?
Where are al Quaeda in Afghanistan today?
What's the war against the Taliban all about if these people aren't al Quaeda, or terrorists. Which they aren't.

Zaqarbal · 05-07-2011, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

Then you'd be wrong.

Why? If you consider terrorist groups to be political representatives, then I'm wrong?

Why?

right-track · 05-07-2011, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaqarbal

Why? If you consider terrorist groups to be political representatives, then I'm wrong?

Why?

Because terrorists and millions of ordinary people can have the same goal.
If you can get a political party that represents the terrorists/freedom fighters and the wishes of millions of ordinary people to sit down at the table, then you're in business.

You'd be better served asking the millions of ordinary people of Ireland and Ulster on both sides of the divide how they prefer to live.
30 more years of violence, or now.
The bullet, or the ballot?

And I never said terrorists groups were political representatives. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

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right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	The demands included the removal of U.S. forces from Saudi soil following the first Gulf war, home of Islam's two most holy places Mecca and Medina. Since 9/11 this has happened. Where were al Qaeda in Iraq? Where are al Quaeda in Afghanistan today? What's the war against the Taliban all about if these people aren't al Quaeda, or terrorists. Which they aren't.