Scarlett O'Hara

**** that. I am not going to move out a country I am now a citizen just because the country's law will not accept my religion dress. It's wrong to stereotype an entire religion as extremists in the first place, so taking away the right for women to wear a burka is reinforcing this stereotype.

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Dotoar

Worse, it's violating the basic human rights.

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djchameleon

Why would you want to stay in a country that clearly doesn't respect your right to religion?

They aren't going to just change their decision. I think it's better to move to a country that will instead of being stubborn and staying somewhere like that but that's just my opinion.

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Liljagare

The debate about moving out of one's country because someone did not respect a particular right of yours...ok I'll take the bait. The simple question would be why? Why should a particular group willingly leave due to a smite on their religious freedom even though (as in this case) both UN laws and even France's constitutional rights are against this? Where are these people supposed to go and who is to say it is not going to happen again as what is acceptable in one country might become acceptable in another just to keep "these people" out (with the standard "Well you know we are stepping it up against terrorism" rather than just admitting it for being anti-muslim intolerant behaviour). Because these same laws are being bounced around in Belgium, Holland, and other countries in the EU and I would not be surprised if it happens some where else. And then what else would be banned next (and I cannot think of any other religious groups who have been denyed the freedom to worship their own religion in Europe..oh wait..wasn't there a bit about Jewish rights in the 1940's in Germany )? And it is not as if this particular group just appeared in France overnight..many have been born in France and have ties to the country.

I think that this ruling in the end handles more about culture domination rather than religious intolerance. Yes the burka can be considered a symbol of relgion but (from reading the papers), I think the French government is seeing it more as rather a piece of clothing that segregates you from the rest of the public and therefore making you a non-conformist. You live in France, be more French in other words. I realize that they have done this with relgious symbols in the schools and such (and not just with symbols of islam) but it just feels to me that if you are wearing a scarf on your head rather than tied fashionably around your throat, you will not be accepted there. Which to me, is wrong.

Scissorman

Ok, this is a topic that I know a lot about, since I study Arabic language and literature, and the Islamic culture studies go with that. Anyway, many experts agree that burqa isn't something Islamic and that it came from the period before Islam. When Islam came to be, some famous women wore burqa as a fashion accessory and that's how it became connected to Islam. I always said that fashion is something that will ruin humanity.
And today in many countries women wear burqas and they think that it's the only way. If someday someone said that they are no longer obligated to wear them, I am sure that most of them still would do it.
Last year I studied modern Arabic literature and for that class I had to read a lot of Arabic books, and the one I liked the most was Dreams of Trespass: Tales of a Harem Girlhood written by Fatema Mernissi, a Moroccan sociologist and feminist. The book is written in the form of memoirs, but mostly deals with Mernissi's childhood, as harems were still legal in Morocco when she was a child. Anyway, Mernissi, a feminist, says that the women are equally responsible for the inequity as men are, and that is very well explained in the book

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Liljagare

Isn't France's opposition to the burka, now made law, essentially against the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights (ironically adopted in France)?

"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."

If you consider the burka as a representation of one's religious belief, than taking it away goes against this article. I guess the question would be, shouldn't muslim women have the democratic right to wear what they want just as the Western women have the right to wear miniskirts (and essentially these women being banned from the burka are Western women as well)? I wonder what would happen if there was a ban on immodesty honestly.

Dotoar

Which only goes to show that the so-called 'human rights' as declared by the UN isn't worth the ink it's printed with.

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Janszoon

I'm not saying that at all actually and have no idea why you'd think I was saying that.

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Scarlett O'Hara

How about all the dipshits of this planet move to mars and do us all a favour.

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Janszoon

Yeah, dipshits, pack your baggs.

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