aliens

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 10-24-2013, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

Theoretically....

The universe is so big that life has existed, at some point, in every shape and form every human could possibly imagine in their lifetimes.

The universe is so big that it's highly likely that there exists somewhere an exact copy of yourself.

I actually have had many friends swear they had seen me in places I hadn't been! It's certainly possible but there's no proof yet.

Mondo Bungle · 10-24-2013, 05:46 PM

Deep under the ice surface of Europa, exists a salty liquid water ocean, heated by the core, much akin to Earth.

Paul Smeenus · 10-24-2013, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie

So when mankind thought the Earth was flat and had no evidence suggesting it was in fact round, the Earth was more likely to be flat?

There was no evidence for a flat OR round earth. Once the research was done, the conclusion became evident. Same holds for sub-atomic particles and the question as to whether they are micro universes.

There are people that still believe the earth is flat FWIW.

Mr. Charlie · 10-24-2013, 05:51 PM

Yeah, don't scientists suspect life could evolve on Europa once the Sun balloons? I'm sure I read/saw that somewhere.

Paul Smeenus · 10-24-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

Deep under the ice surface of Europa, exists a salty liquid water ocean, heated by the core, much akin to Earth.

They are hoping to design a craft that can fly to Europa and drill through that ice surface in hopes of detecting life. I think there's a good chance it may be there in some rudimentary form.

Paul Smeenus · 10-24-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie

Yeah, don't scientists suspect life could evolve on Europa once the Sun balloons? I'm sure I read/saw that somewhere.

They suspect it may be there now.

Mr. Charlie · 10-24-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

There was no evidence for a flat OR round earth. Once the research was done, the conclusion became evident. Same holds for sub-atomic particles and the question as to whether they are micro universes.

There are people that still believe the earth is flat FWIW.

The evidence for a flat Earth was people were walking around on it and it looked pretty flat too. 2000 years ago, what little evidence there was regarding the shape of the Earth pointed to it being flat, not round.

As for sub-atomic particles, philosophers and scientists once believed atoms were the fundamental building blocks of stuff, then they discovered protons and neutrons and electrons, then they discovered protons and neutrons were made of smaller things called quarks. Who knows what they'll discover as technology improves, but I wouldn't be surprised if quarks are made up of still smaller stuff. It's like nothing being able to travel faster than the speed of light, that was regarded as bullet-proof fact, but they've recently done experiments that seems to show entangled photons sharing information several thousand times faster than the speed of light. We don't really know anything.

Neapolitan · 10-24-2013, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie

Maybe dimensions are limitless and inside each and every atom or quark is an infinite number of universes housing an infinite number of lifeforms. Indeed if the universe is, as some scientists believe, infinite then aliens are a certainty. Indeed in an infinite universe everything that can happen has happened and has happened an infinite number of times, even something as unlikely as a monkey typing out the complete works of Shakespeare by randomly hitting keys on a typewriter. In an infinite universe all odds are 100%.

What do you mean 100%?
You honestly don't believe that a monkey knows how a typewriter works - how to strike the keys one at a time, how to change a ribbon, etc - let alone have a working knowledge of English language - spelling, sentence structure, punctuation etc - and also have a keen sense of drama to write such stories?
Preposterous! Even in this universe the odds were nill that Shakespeare himself type out the complete works of Shakespeare. For he lived a full two and a half centuries before such an invention!

Mondo Bungle · 10-24-2013, 07:32 PM

Everyone knows dimensions are infinite bro. And everything is infinite. Our three dimensional world is comprised of an infinite amount of two dimensional plains, which are in turn comprised of an infinite amount of one dimensional planes. The same rule goes for all dimensions greater than the third as well.

Mr. Charlie · 10-24-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

What do you mean 100%?
You honestly don't believe that a monkey knows how a typewriter works - how to strike the keys one at a time, how to change a ribbon, etc - let alone have a working knowledge of English language - spelling, sentence structure, punctuation etc - and also have a keen sense of drama to write such stories?
Preposterous! Even in this universe the odds were nill that Shakespeare himself type out the complete works of Shakespeare. For he lived a full two and a half centuries before such an invention!

Haha. Forget whether monkeys know how to change a ribbon. It's like this: is it likely that a monkey would change the ribbon correctly and type out known words? Of course not. Is it possible? Yes. And in an infinite universe everything that can happen does hapen and happens an infinite number of times. It's mathematics. Imagine the universe as a huge lego kit consisting of trillions and trillions of pieces; in an infinite universe those pieces are arranged in every way possible an infinite number of times, and every arrangement of those pieces plays out in every way possible an infinite number of times.

It's explained here: Q: In an infinite universe, does everything that’s possible have to happen somewhere? | Ask a Mathematician / Ask a Physicist

And if you have the time, check out this BBC documentary about infinity. It's well worth 60 minutes of your life:

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