Thom Yorke

The major alignment is in September 2040, although it happens pretty frequently. I'll be just shy of 50. Damn.

jackhammer

I watched that too. In fact I have been watching a shedload of documentaries recently regarding the universe and only the most narrow minded fool could suggest that we are the only active species in the universe.

In our present lifetime we have little chance of encountering anything else but even our own solar system has blown the scientific world apart over the last 20 years. The most active volcano is a moon orbiting Jupiter and although it doesn't support life (or what we class as life on a one to one basis), it shows how little we know about the universe and how pompous we are in thinking that we are the only intelligent life out there.

I am certainly not one of those wishing for us to be visited by another world as that would suggest that we are useless as they got to us first and we are not all that but the simple fact is that if u lay a piece of A4 paper down in front of you, the earth is not even a dot in any given corner. It is that inconsequential in the universe.

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Sparky

I think the real threat is

ATL-LIENS!!!!

[MERIT]

I was referring to recorded human history, NOT the age of the Earth. No one here is disputing the age of the planet, Carbon-14 dating really rules out the Scientology notion that the Earth is only a few thousand years old. I guess I should have differentiated better, sorry.

I was saying that the Roman and Greek Gods were basically identical (as far as their "powers" and purposes go), they just had different names in each civilization.

People thought that storms and weather and the fertility of their crops were all directly related to their "Gods" and how well they appeased them.

Freud's views on religion, space, aliens, etc. are deifinitely well researched and well thought out. He is most definitely entitled to his views, as are all of us. I wouldn't call a difference of opinion a dismissal of anything.

Couldn't agree more (except for the "haven't discovered yet" part). I believe that most religious icons/deities have actually been ET's, but were perceived as "Gods" since humans really had nothing better to equate them to (seeing as how we hadn't explored space in any great depths).

Exactly. The US government has been feeding the public disinformation for decates.

Majestic 12

Military Special Operations Manual For Extra Terrestrials

Yep. It's a matter of science, not opinion.

Einstein-Rosen Bridge

Thom Yorke

Of course they were basically identical; Roman gods were derived from Greek gods. This isn't a coincidence if that's what you're implying. Religion is not the only thing the Greeks influenced the Romans on.

I am still failing to see any connection to aliens from this. I've already mentioned that they formulated their gods based on nature and astrology.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying they observed these gods/aliens in some way? Because that couldn't be further from the truth. There was extensive literature debating whether or not the gods existed, or how one could be inclined to believe they existed. Many didn't even adhere to the pagan tradition, not to mention Christianity was a threat from the start of the Roman Empire, and became the state religion in the 4th century. There was a clash of philosophies, whether it be scientific, metaphysical, ethical or anything else you want to point to. Everything points to the fact that there never was any sort of intervention by some sort of ET, and that their pantheon was just a human concoction to deal with the unknown, like all religion is.

[MERIT]

I guess I worded it oddly, my apology. While many of the Roman Gods were directly borrowed from the Greeks, the Greeks based their Gods more on personality traits that they saw in humans (love, hate, dignity, etc) while the Romans based their Gods more on objects and ideas (or vice-versa, sometimes I do get them mixed up). This is really not the main part of the conversation that I was meaning to hit upon, so I don't have much argument here. I guess I was trying to convey that many cultures had/have similar Gods and deities that could very well have been the same entity (or different incarnations of the same entity).

Agreed, but I was referring to the physical embodiment of their Gods. The Gods in Greek, Roman, and Norse mythology were physical beings, not just ideas. As are the Gods/Deities/Prophets of most religions. I personally believe that these beings were all (or mostly) ET's or somehow more advanced (physically, mentally, spiritually) than their followers.

Yes, I am (assuming we're using the same definition of "observed"). These Gods were literal, they were not just figments of imagination or ideas that were meant to keep society in check.

The existence of Gods has been in question for most of modern history. But in ancient times, it was the exact opposite. God's supposedly showed themselves to humans all the time. Most religious holy books are filled with encounters between humans and Gods. What I'm getting at is that these "Gods" were actually ET's.


The time periods that each of us are referring to are thousands of years apart, so comparing them is a waste of time. From the beginning of time, civilization has always believed in Gods. From ancient Sumeria to Egypyt to Greece to Rome to America, as time progresses, it seems that society has moved more towards an IDEA of Gods, rather than a physical embodiment of them.

I disagree. There are many anomolies on Earth that cannot be explained and point to an ET intervention. The pyramids for example (Egyptian, Aztec, Mesopotamia, Chile, Spain, China, Greece, Nigeria, Sudan, India). Many of them are constructed of stones that could not possibly have been moved, carved, or constructed by humans at their respective stages in history. Also, the Nazca Lines (which can only be seen from above), and the numerous mountaintops in Peru that were somehow leveled to make flat landing strips, with no remnants of the rubble left behind or the tools and machinery used to do so. The pyramids of Giza are in allignment with the 3 stars on Orion's belt, how could they have done that? Stonehenge has slits that let rays of light shine through only on the summer and winter solstices.

And besides the HOW, there's also the WHY? Why build a pyramid with specific dimensions and astrological assignments just to house a dead body?

[MERIT]

Sorry to double post, but just for reference, here are links to the History Channel's "Ancient Aliens" and Discovery Channel's "The Universe."

Ancient Aliens — Evidence of Ancient Aliens? — History.com

Stephen Hawking : Discovery Channel

Sparky

I swear to god if you move this ****ing thread again

Thom Yorke

I thought you were referring to the Greek and Roman pantheon. If you're talking about civilizations in the Fertile Crescent it's much of the same though. Do the anthropomorphic depictions of these deities not eradicate any chance of these gods being aliens, at least in the conventional sense of the word? And how can you explain demigods in the Mesopotamian and Sumerian religions then?

You do know the Egyptians had an absolutely fantastic understanding of astrology right? Babylon even more so, to the point where they used it to make political decisions. It was by far the most advanced "science" for both civilizations. So it should come as no surprise as to why they would construct a monument based on it. I can't remember all of the intricacies of the dimensions of the Great Pyramid, but there are many unique little facts like that. It was an architectural marvel, which is why it was named one of the Wonders of the Ancient World. And while it was/is very impressive, the alien theory is just something you toss in to a high school history lecture to keep kids interested. They don't know how exactly it was built but there are many perfectly legitimate theories.

Burning Down

I didn't even know it was moved once before, but I think it fits into this section.