aliens

~~Dirty~~ · 04-21-2011, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

I am not telling anyone they are crazy or wrong, I'm simply asking for proof.

Well obviously there isn't any concrete proof. If there was, there would be no debate and everyone would agree aliens exist

I think aliens do exist, I'm not sure how much they have really contacted our planet though. I feel like if they have the capabilities to visit our planet then we'd all know about it by now. Like a UFO would of crashed by now and a bunch of people would have seen it and taken pictures and stuff. It's hard for me to not believe there is some life forms out there though given how insanely large the galaxy is. We dont have the technology to search very far and may never have that technology, so I'm hoping another life form develops the ability to visit us and interact. That'd be awesome. Just think if humans started having sex with aliens and somehow could produce these kickass hybrid beings.

Sparky · 04-21-2011, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

That'd be awesome. Just think if humans started having sex with aliens and somehow could produce these kickass hybrid beings.

I have thought about this actually, and agree it would be awesome.

In the videogame Mass Effect 2 (which might be the videogame industry trying to prepare us for on coming alien?

) I actually had sex with two different alien beings!

I think it's unlikely that all aliens would have evolved in a way that required traditional reproductive organs, they'd probably lay down pods deep beneath the earths surface

Sparky · 04-21-2011, 12:32 AM

There's thousands of really good fake ufo videos out there, these news stations (excluding fox) gotta make sure the video's are kinda credible right? Some of the ones they showed were sent in from multiple people with multiple cameras.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 04-21-2011, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

I thought you were referring to the Greek and Roman pantheon. If you're talking about civilizations in the Fertile Crescent it's much of the same though. Do the anthropomorphic depictions of these deities not eradicate any chance of these gods being aliens, at least in the conventional sense of the word?

It really depends on how you choose to look at it. In early civilizations, the people did not have the ability (knowledge, understanding, whatever you choose to call it) to make distinctions between science and religion. What I mean is, what one person sees as the sun evaporating some rain water, another may see as the Gods cursing the land for the humans failing to sacrifice enough virgins. I don't believe that attributing human characterisitcs to physical events should discount the theory of ET's intervening throughout human history. The people were trying to transcribe the events in their own words. If they see someone flying through the air, they have no idea what a rocket or airplane is. They know that birds fly through the air, so they depict people with bird wings (Angels?). Do you see where I'm coming from? Again, religious texts are filled with numerous literal physical encounters between humans and "Gods."

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Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

And how can you explain demigods in the Mesopotamian and Sumerian religions then?

In my summation, they are a hybrid of the ET's and humans at the time (be it by mating or DNA restructuring, etc).

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Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

You do know the Egyptians had an absolutely fantastic understanding of astrology right? Babylon even more so, to the point where they used it to make political decisions. It was by far the most advanced "science" for both civilizations. So it should come as no surprise as to why they would construct a monument based on it. I can't remember all of the intricacies of the dimensions of the Great Pyramid, but there are many unique little facts like that. It was an architectural marvel, which is why it was named one of the Wonders of the Ancient World. And while it was/is very impressive, the alien theory is just something you toss in to a high school history lecture to keep kids interested. They don't know how exactly it was built but there are many perfectly legitimate theories.

Yes, I am quite aware of these facts, so you can stop talking to me like I am a child whom is being taught a history lesson at the local pre-school. What I believe you're overlooking is how these civilization came to possess this great skill and knowledge. The scale of the monolithic structures and the planning required would be a magnificent feat for today's architects and builders. The extraction and transportation of the stones, the laser-like precision of the cuts, the erection of the monuments. These are all things that even today's science cannot explain. So how did it get done thousands of years ago?

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Originally Posted by RVCA

How do you know they're out there if there isn't a single shred of credible evidence for their existence?

There is evidence. The Roswell crash recovered a ship and 2 alien bodies. There are numerous local reports of this in their newspapers, and testimonials by people who actually witnessed the events.

Guys, I'm not trying to argue here. I simply took the opportunity to add my two cents worth to the discussion, as well as my own personal experiences. I know I sound crazy, believe me, I can't live this down. But I know what I have seen and experienced. If it hadn't happened to me I would not believe it either, so I can't expect any of you to, that's understandable. I would rather just not talk about it than be ridiculed, but it is what it is.

Maybe this could have a possible connection to my pineal cell brain tumor and my epileptic seizures, as they were discovered out of nowhere after 20+ years of good health. I don't know. I'm just giving my opinions. However far-fetched they may seem, I can assure you that they were attained after much research and deliberation.

Sparky · 04-21-2011, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by oojay

There is evidence. The Roswell crash recovered a ship and 2 alien bodies. There are numerous local reports of this in their newspapers, and testimonials by people who actually witnessed the events.

I looked this up and many ufo researchers or w/e deny that roswell had anything to with aliens

Thom Yorke · 04-21-2011, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by oojay

It really depends on how you choose to look at it. In early civilizations, the people did not have the ability (knowledge, understanding, whatever you choose to call it) to make distinctions between science and religion. What I mean is, what one person sees as the sun evaporating some rain water, another may see as the Gods cursing the land for the humans failing to sacrifice enough virgins. I don't believe that attributing human characterisitcs to physical events should discount the theory of ET's intervening throughout human history. The people were trying to transcribe the events in their own words. If they see someone flying through the air, they have no idea what a rocket or airplane is. They know that birds fly through the air, so they depict people with bird wings (Angels?). Do you see where I'm coming from? Again, religious texts are filled with numerous literal physical encounters between humans and "Gods."

In my summation, they are a hybrid of the ET's and humans at the time (be it by mating or DNA restructuring, etc).

Yes, I am quite aware of these facts, so you can stop talking to me like I am a child whom is being taught a history lesson at the local pre-school. What I believe you're overlooking is how these civilization came to possess this great skill and knowledge. The scale of the monolithic structures and the planning required would be a magnificent feat for today's architects and builders. The extraction and transportation of the stones, the laser-like precision of the cuts, the erection of the monuments. These are all things that even today's science cannot explain. So how did it get done thousands of years ago?

It just seems like a massive stretch. You're just trying to attribute everything to aliens based on nothing more than a guess.

Precise measurements are impressive but certainly not out of the realm of what humans are caable of doing, even back then. Also, besides the reat Pyramid, what other monuments are you referring to?

RVCA · 04-21-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by matious

There's thousands of really good fake ufo videos out there, these news stations (excluding fox) gotta make sure the video's are kinda credible right? Some of the ones they showed were sent in from multiple people with multiple cameras.

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Originally Posted by Abearmauledme

Dude, my ****ing roommate said it was a missile or a meteorite. Don't be like him.

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Originally Posted by oojay

There is evidence. The Roswell crash recovered a ship and 2 alien bodies. There are numerous local reports of this in their newspapers, and testimonials by people who actually witnessed the events.

To all of you:

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Originally Posted by Dirty

Well obviously there isn't any concrete proof. If there was, there would be no debate and everyone would agree aliens exist

Dirty hit the nail square on the head. If there was any kind of solid, reliable, concrete proof for the existence of extraterrestrial life, everyone would know and there wouldn't be any debate about it.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 04-21-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

It just seems like a massive stretch. You're just trying to attribute everything to aliens based on nothing more than a guess.

No more of a stretch than you attributing architecture and mathematics that are thousands of years out of place to civilizations who barely understood crop rotation and tried to solve people's emotional problems by drilling holes in their head to let the "demons" out.

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Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

Precise measurements are impressive but certainly not out of the realm of what humans are caable of doing, even back then. Also, besides the reat Pyramid, what other monuments are you referring to?

Besides the numerous pyramids, ziggurats, and obelisks, the Nazca lines defy most scientific logic. As well as the numerous monoliths (The Trilithon at Baalbek, the giant stone heads of Moai on Easter Island, the Puma Punka stones of Bolivia, etc.)

Theres ia also the numerous refernces to seemingly ET technologies and events in ancient religious texts.

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Originally Posted by 2 Kings 2:11

there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

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Originally Posted by Exodus 13:21

And Jehovah was going before them by day in a pillar of cloud, to lead them in the way, and by night in a pillar of fire, to give light to them, to go by day and by night

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Originally Posted by Exodus 19:16-18

Yahweh lands on Mt Sinai. “…And on the third day, it being morning, it happened. There were thunders and lightnings, and a heavy cloud upon the mountain, and the sound of a ram’s horn, very strong! And all the people of the camp trembled…And mountain of Sinai was smoking, all of it, because Jehovah came down on it in fire. And it’s smoke went up like the smoke of a furnace; and the mountain quaked exceedingly

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Originally Posted by Ezekiel 3:12

And the spirit lifted me up, and I heard behind me the sound of a great tumult, saying, Blessed be the glory of Jehovah from his place; and the sound of the wings of the living creatures touching each other to the other; and the sound of the wheels along with them; and the sound of a great tumult

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Originally Posted by Micah 1:3-4

Jehovah comes down on the high places with a great heat: “For behold, Jehovah is coming out of his place, and will come down and walk on the high places of the earth. And the mountains shall melt under him, and the valleys shall cleave themselves as wax before the fire, as waters poured out on a steep place

As well as the flying Vimanas of ancient India, Ezekiel's Chariot, the flying Gods and Murats in the Mahabharata.

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“The gods, in cloud-borne chariots…bright celestial cars in concourse sailed upon the cloudless sky.”

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“…loud roaring as the winds make the mountains rock and reel…(as they) lift themselves aloft…these verily wondrous, red of hue, speed on their course with a roar over the ridges of the sky…and spread themselves with beams of light…bright, celestial, with lightning in their hands and helmets of gold upon their heads.”

There is also the Divine Throne Chariots mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls

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“The Divine Throne-Chariot draws its inspiration from Ezekiel(1:10) and is related to the Book of Revelation. It depicts the appearance and movement of the Merkabah, the divine Chariot supported and drawn by the cherubim, which is at the same time a throne and a vehicle. The ‘small voice’ of blessing is drawn from 1 Kings 19:112: it was in a ‘small still voice’ that God manifested himself to Elijah. In our Qumran text this voice is uttered by the cherubim and it is interesting to note that although the Bible does not define the source of the voice, the ancient Aramaic translation of 12 Kings (Targum of Jonathan) ascribes it to angelic beings called ‘they who bless silently.’”

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“The Throne-Chariot was a central subject of meditation in ancient as well as in medieval Jewish esotericism and mysticism, but the guardians of Rabbinic orthodoxy tended to discourage such speculation. The liturgical use of Ezekiel’s chapter on the Chariot is expressly forbidden in the Misnah; it even lays down that no wise man is to share his understanding of the Merkabah with a person less enlightened than himself…”

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“…and the cherubim utter blessings. And as they rise up, there is a divine small voice and loud praise; there is a divine small voice as they fold their wings.

“The cherubim bless the image of the Throne-Chariot above the firmament, and they praise the majesty of the fiery firmament beneath the seat of his glory. And between the turning wheels angels of holiness come and go, as it were a fiery vision of most holy spirits; and about them flow seeming rivulets of fire, like gleaming bronze, a radiance of many gorgeous colors, of marvelous pigments magnificently mingled. The spirits of the Living God move perpetually with the glory of the wonderful Chariot.

“The small voice of the blessing accompanies the tumult as they depart, and on the path of their return they worship the Holy One. Ascending, they rise marvelously; settling, they stay still. The sound of joyful praise is silenced and there is a small voice of blessing in all the camp of God.”

djchameleon · 04-21-2011, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by oojay

Yes, I am quite aware of these facts, so you can stop talking to me like I am a child whom is being taught a history lesson at the local pre-school. What I believe you're overlooking is how these civilization came to possess this great skill and knowledge. The scale of the monolithic structures and the planning required would be a magnificent feat for today's architects and builders. The extraction and transportation of the stones, the laser-like precision of the cuts, the erection of the monuments. These are all things that even today's science cannot explain. So how did it get done thousands of years ago?

You aren't giving us humans enough credit!

We built those monuments ourselves with ingenuity and creativity. It's very easy to erect a pyramid when you look at the logistics of it.

Sparky · 04-21-2011, 03:48 AM

If aliens exist, how come a crazy dictator like Kim Jong ill or some government with a grudge wouldn't reveal it?

Like i know people are saying the evidence is there, but if a press conference was given im sure most people would believe it then.

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Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	There's thousands of really good fake ufo videos out there, these news stations (excluding fox) gotta make sure the video's are kinda credible right? Some of the ones they showed were sent in from multiple people with multiple cameras.

04-21-2011, 03:48 AM	#10 (permalink)
Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	If aliens exist, how come a crazy dictator like Kim Jong ill or some government with a grudge wouldn't reveal it? Like i know people are saying the evidence is there, but if a press conference was given im sure most people would believe it then.